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Most disingenuous claim by a TRA doctor I’ve seen yet

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NotBadConsidering · 19/08/2020 09:59

Jack Turban is a child psych fellow. He shot to prominence earlier this year when he has a paper published in Pediatrics that claimed to show transgender adults who had been on puberty blockers as children had better mental health when in fact it actually showed those adults who had been on puberty blockers as children were twice as likely to have been hospitalised for a suicide attempt in the 12 months prior compared to transgender adults who hadn’t been on puberty blockers.

He is claiming, in response to Abigail Shrier, that puberty blockers don’t cause infertility. To prove his point he links a study.

mobile.twitter.com/jack_turban/status/1295560729173475328

The study looks at the use of puberty blockers for precocious puberty. This is a condition where children go through puberty too early, puberty blockers are used, and then always ceased to allow normal puberty to happen. Therefore these children do not end up infertile. This is a completely different condition.

With gender variant children who are given puberty blockers they are NOT stopped, normal puberty is NEVER allowed to happen, normal fertility is NEVER developed because sperm and ova aren’t matured by the process of puberty. Cross sex hormones, given later do not allow this process to happen. Surgery to remove ovaries or testes then makes it permanent.

In the “theoretical” case study of a child continuing on puberty blockers without progressing to cross sex hormones the authors acknowledge the risk of infertility and recommend consideration of egg preservation and counselling.

jme.bmj.com/content/early/2020/07/24/medethics-2019-106012

Puberty suppression would also impair Phoenix’s fertility. Phoenix’s eggs are unlikely to mature without sex hormones.29 While fertility preservation techniques exist (eg, ovarian tissue cryopreservation), these remain experimental, especially for individuals who have not gone through puberty,10 such as Phoenix. Current guidelines recommend the impact of puberty blockers on fertility and fertility preservation options be discussed with patients and families before beginning puberty suppression.

Jack must know this. He can’t not know this. If Jack doesn’t know this he is a very poorly informed self-appointed expert in this field. If Jack does know this and is being disingenuous in his post, I can’t possibly post my opinion on Jack’s integrity because this post took too long to risk deletion.

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Babdoc · 19/08/2020 11:02

Doctors don’t lose money when damaged patients sue them. We all have to have malpractice insurance from a defence organisation, and it’s the insurer who pays out. Or the health trust, if it was an NHS patient.
Sure, the defence subscription cost would go up the next year if a lot of v expensive lawsuits had been lost, but an individual bad doctor wouldn’t suffer more than the other good doctors in his specialty. The only effective penalty is for him to be struck off the medical register and lose his practice rights. Which I hope happens to anyone inflicting sterility, osteoporosis and long term health damage on children.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/08/2020 10:44

Gosh, $15,000 dollars is quite a large sum of money for a doctor to receive from a company that manufactures puberty blockers, isn't it?

It is, but surely that is nothing when considered how much will be lost when former patients sue them?

I genuinely don't think it's about the money for these people. I think it's god complex / narcissism /MBP / enjoying all the woke cookies they get. In a "normal" balanced individual surely the known well documented risks would outweigh the unlikely, poorly researched benefits.

SunsetBeetch · 19/08/2020 10:40

@NotBadConsidering

Thanks OldCrone that was going to be my follow up. Very interesting.

What strikes me about these people is the arrogance. They think no one could figure things out themselves, look into things, research things, read published papers properly, analyse hidden data. They think if they say something it will just be taken as Gospel.

Well, it is by lot of people. That's why we're in this mess.
JellySlice · 19/08/2020 10:39

What strikes me about these people is the arrogance. They think no one could figure things out themselves, look into things, research things, read published papers properly, analyse hidden data. They think if they say something it will just be taken as Gospel.

And that sums up the trans ideology.
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They think if they say something it will just be taken as Gospel.*

And that is what is being legislated. Never mind reality. Bend reality to fit the ideology.

ArabellaScott · 19/08/2020 10:35

Gosh, $15,000 dollars is quite a large sum of money for a doctor to receive from a company that manufactures puberty blockers, isn't it? I'm sure there's a very good and clear explanation for why he's trying to attack Abigail Shrier's arguments.

NotBadConsidering · 19/08/2020 10:31

Thanks OldCrone that was going to be my follow up. Very interesting.

What strikes me about these people is the arrogance. They think no one could figure things out themselves, look into things, research things, read published papers properly, analyse hidden data. They think if they say something it will just be taken as Gospel.

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Helmetbymidnight · 19/08/2020 10:23

i was just looking for that link!

hmmmmmm

OldCrone · 19/08/2020 10:09

Follow the money.

Jack Turban, insistent critic of Abigail Shrier’s book on transitioning of young girls, constantly claims puberty blockers are safe. He is paid by a firm that manufactures them.

uncommongroundmedia.com/jack-turban-investigated-americal-medical-association/

Helmetbymidnight · 19/08/2020 10:08

it seems Jack got/gets money from these companies.

Jaxhog · 19/08/2020 10:01

Why let facts get in the way of doctrine!