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ProfessorSlocombe · 18/08/2020 09:39

An update, from the Times

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/scotland/humza-yousaf-says-hate-crime-bill-wont-criminalise-jk-rowling-k29qt0j5g

Critics of the proposed law, which would make it an offence to “stir up”
hatred, say that it could lead to criminal proceedings over comments
deemed unintentionally offensive.

Roddy Dunlop, QC, dean of the Faculty of Advocates, said last month that
this could mean comedians who tell a “Scotsman, Irishman and Englishman”
joke may face jail. The Scottish Police Federation, which represents
rank-and-file officers, complained the changes would shatter trust in
police.

However, Mr Yousaf [Cabinet Secretary for Justice, Scottish Parliament]
denied there would be a draconian crackdown on freedom of speech. “If you
were to say a trans man is not a real man or trans woman is not a real
woman, you would not be prosecuted under the bill that I am intending to
bring forward, so long as you didn’t do it in a threatening or abusive way
that is intended or likely to stir up hatred,” he told Holyrood magazine.

A spokesman for the Free to Disagree campaign, which opposes the hate
crime bill, said that Mr Yousaf “cannot simply magic away these
significant concerns” about the law.

“In addition, under the legislation no ‘intent’ is necessary for an
offence to be committed,” the spokesman said. “Rowling could conceivably
be guilty of a ‘stirring up’ offence without intending to stir up hatred,
or even being aware that her comments were unlawful.”

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WouldBeGood · 18/08/2020 11:41

It’s all pretty depressing.

ProfessorSlocombe · 18/08/2020 10:35

@WouldBeGood

There’s a theory that once independence is achieved there will be no role for the SNP.

And that Scotland will then return to more “normal” politics, not a one party state.

I personally have my doubts about this.

Well the UK is now a one party state, so you can take your choice.

PermaTory, with no break. Or PermaSNP but at least it's Scotlands mess.

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WouldBeGood · 18/08/2020 10:26

There’s a theory that once independence is achieved there will be no role for the SNP.

And that Scotland will then return to more “normal” politics, not a one party state.

I personally have my doubts about this.

ProfessorSlocombe · 18/08/2020 10:26

But once they get independence they'll be stuck with the SNP for years with no checks from anywhere, won't they?

Not by their reckoning. The SNP exists for one job. Independence. That's where there support comes from. The second Scotland becomes independent - and elections are held for it's national government, they have "fuck all" intention of voting SNP.

In theory it's a similar idea to the English voting in a Tory government to "get brexit done" and planning to dump them after.

Not being anywhere near Scotland, I can only listen to what people in Scotland tell me. And a lot are saying that. Which may not be visible in opinion polls (has there been one that asks "if Scotland were independent, who would you vote for ?"). Bearing in mind in an independent Scotland it would be proportional representation that made up the government.

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teawamutu · 18/08/2020 10:16

@ProfessorSlocombe

worth noting that a few Scottish Nationalists of my acquaintance have said that if the SNP do achieve independence for Scotland, then they are dumping them like "a turd in a bag" because they have no truck with this nonsense.

But independence first

But once they get independence they'll be stuck with the SNP for years with no checks from anywhere, won't they?
ProfessorSlocombe · 18/08/2020 10:10

worth noting that a few Scottish Nationalists of my acquaintance have said that if the SNP do achieve independence for Scotland, then they are dumping them like "a turd in a bag" because they have no truck with this nonsense.

But independence first

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persistentwoman · 18/08/2020 10:06

As words are considered to be literal violence by every trans group then prosecuting JKR would be a given.

teawamutu · 18/08/2020 10:04

In a world where Posie Parker, Kate Scottow, Harry the Owl and Glinner drew police attention because TRAs didn't like their tweets, does anyone believe this law won't be used in a similar way?

Anyone?

WouldBeGood · 18/08/2020 09:56

Yes, the woke brigade have ensured she can’t stand by machinations in the inner workings of the party.

Roswellconspiracy · 18/08/2020 09:49

I'm glad I'll dont live in Scotland they clearly have not learnt from Canada's mistakes.

Didn't they all turn on Joanna cherry?

WouldBeGood · 18/08/2020 09:46

It is disgraceful. And you’d think they’d have learned their lesson after they had to backtrack on the football songs stuff.

Roswellconspiracy · 18/08/2020 09:44

There are children who have to walk miles a day for water.

Malala was shot at fir trying to get an education.

Women beaten and/or jailed for removing their hijab in the streets.

Girls who are trafficked and who's lives are sleezy older men who pay for them fir sex.

And then we have us. The fragile idiots who cannot cope with anyone disagreeing with us. And where basic facts reduce peope to self harm and therapy.

Its an utter embarrassment that instead of being told to turn of the TV or put the lap top down and go outside they police our thoughts akd speech instead

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