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Another Scottish Health Board throws women under the bus

37 replies

334bu · 17/08/2020 14:49

I include here an excerpt from Greater Glasgow and Clyde Health Board transgender policy document on how to act if a woman complains there is a man in her ward

Inpatient Scenario:
A nurse is summoned to a patient’s bed in a female ward. The patient appears to be agitated. When
asked what’s concerning her, the woman explains she didn’t expect to be sharing the ward with a
man and points to the bed opposite. She states it’s inappropriate to have ‘him’ in the ward with the
other women. She tells the nurse she can’t relax and wants ‘him’ removed from the ward. If this
doesn’t happen she’ll make a formal complaint – the hospital has a duty of care to look after her and
they’re not taking this seriously by putting her in this situation.
The nurse listens and tells the woman she’ll see what she can do. She says that she understands
having a transgender person on the ward will be upsetting to other women and leaves to talk with a
senior colleague about the matter.
The response to the patient’s concern isn’t appropriate and breaches legislative protection afforded to
transgender people. Someone’s trans status can not be disclosed to a third party without the express
permission of the trans person and the assumption that others in the ward will feel uncomfortable is
unfounded. In this instance there is no need to either disclose or seek permission to disclose gender
identity. The nurse should work to allay the patient’s concerns – it would be appropriate to re-iterate
that the ward is indeed female only and that there are no men present. Her duty of care extends to
protect patients from harassment and should the woman continue to make demands about the
removal of the transgender patient and be vocal in the ward it would be appropriate to remind her of
this. Ultimately it may be the complainant who is required to be removed.

Gaslighting and punishing the victim!

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DianasLasso · 17/08/2020 15:21

Ultimately it may be the complainant who is required to be removed.

I want to know what this means.

Do they mean "put in another ward/side room"?

Or do they mean "denied medical treatment and sent home because they know that biology - the basis of all medical science - is about external reality and facts rather than malleable according to one's ideological whims"?

I am worried they mean the second of these, and women could be discharged without receiving the medical treatment they need.

Annasgirl · 17/08/2020 15:16

I read this earlier from Glinner. It frightens me that people who do not know the difference between sex and gender are in charge of providing healthcare to anyone let alone the whole country. I thought it was a misprint when I read the NHS but about realigning their sex 😱😱😱

NiceGerbil · 17/08/2020 15:13

I really don't see how telling a vulnerable woman that they are imagining things is a positive thing in a hospital scenario. This will be the same on mental health wards I assume, great!

merrymouse · 17/08/2020 15:13

Already reported in the Mail in December:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7742703/Women-hospital-patients-complain-having-biological-male-bed-risk-kicked-out.html

The hospital's reply didn't make sense:

'We ask that all patients, staff and visitors adopt an understanding that we are all part of the same diverse gender spectrum.'

So if we are all just part of the 'same diverse' gender spectrum, why are you bothering with male and female wards, and more pertinently, do you know where babies come from?

Also, do you find that you often have problems at traffic lights, what with green and red both being part of the 'same diverse' colour spectrum?

Jellyeggs · 17/08/2020 15:11

It’s sucks but at least there’s the option of moving the theoretical woman. If enough of them want to be moved they will have to set up a “problematic women” ward. Perfect.

OvaHere · 17/08/2020 15:10

So progressive to have policy built on lies and gaslighting.

334bu · 17/08/2020 15:09

It is also an obligation that hospitals have as far as possible single sex wards and yet this policy means that no wards in the largest Health Board in Scotlandcan be guaranteed to be single sexed.

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merrymouse · 17/08/2020 15:07

"Ultimately it may be the complainant who is required to be removed."

To where? If to a private room, fine. If from the hospital, wtf?

merrymouse · 17/08/2020 15:06

This is the largest health board in Scotland and yet they cannot guarantee female only wards.

it has always been the case that in some circumstances a single sex ward cannot be guaranteed, but in this case they are suggesting that the hospital just lies to somebody who is already in a vulnerable situation because they are a patient in a hospital. How can this be good practice?

merrymouse · 17/08/2020 15:04

www.nhsggc.org.uk/media/258956/gender-reassignment-policy-06032020.pdf

Here is the link to the document containing this recommendation.

The policy was approved in 2018.

This part is awful:

"it would be appropriate to re-iterate that the ward is indeed female only and that there are no men present"

I can understand that there are conflicting rights that need to be addressed (e.g. right to privacy of trans person), but gaslighting isn't the answer.

334bu · 17/08/2020 14:57

The whole document can be read from the Glinner site.

grahamlinehan.substack.com/

This is the largest health board in Scotland and yet they cannot guarantee female only wards.

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OrangeGeckoWithBlackSpots · 17/08/2020 14:57

"it would be appropriate to re-iterate that the ward is indeed female only and that there are no men present."

"Ultimately it may be the complainant who is required to be removed."

Well, that's clear then.

I would like to know the answer if 7 women in an 8 bed ward all continue to "be vocal" and "make demands" - will they all be removed?

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