Why 'MAP'?

Bloody hell, that Twitter exchange motherofmonsters. I feel sick.

The fact that age of consent for an 8 year old is discussed on a public domain is abhorrent and that twitter is enabling advocacy for child abuse. It needs to be brought to the attention of mainstream media. I am not sure where it lands in terms of free speech but as child sexual abuse is criminal act then surely anything that could be construed to incite it shouldnt be allowed under free speech?

Skyliner 'kinks' are already included in LGBT+ and there is already confusion over whether a Pride event that celebrates kinks can be 'family friendly'. Many kinks that seem to be viewed as 'main stream' by pride organisers - e.g. furries - have an obvious appeal for children.

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Kathleen Stock
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The thought-crushingly banal language of "diversity and inclusion" can be used for literally any cause.

"Some felt that not all kinks were represented and there was a lack of diversity within the groups that were present"

UK Pride Organisers Network

"Is your Pride event REALLY inclusive of everyone within the LGBTQ+ community?

We recently shared a survey focusing on the inclusion of Pups, Furries & Kinksters at Pride."

There have been a lot of comments on this tweet about inclusion of 'kinksters' because one of the questions they asked was whether a 'physical kink area' should be 18+, and a significant proportion of respondents appear to have said no.

I was shocked to find recently a YouTube I follow (and usually admire) discussing NOMAPs in one of her videos and describing them as "virtuous", "commendable" and "amazing". Because not raping children is sooooo virtuous. But the idea that stoically resisting your map tendancies is some superhuman act of virtue is something I expect to see more and more in the next few years. That's going to be the foot in the door that does the heavy lifting of shifting the Overton window. Just like fully transitioned dysphoric people were the foot in the door for the acceptance of non transitioning non dysphoria fetishists, my prediction is that the "super virtuous" NOMAPs will be the foot in the door for the acceptance of maps.

This is an excellent post ByGrabtharsHammer and I fear you are right, this is a marketing exercise which is having/will have the worrying results that you have detailed here. It really is something we should be alerted to. As a parenting site MN as a community should be watching this and calling it out.

Skyliner- they've said it themselves that they want to be included in LGBT+. It's not something I've just made up to cause friction, I'm not saying they'll ever be excepted but it's what they want

I don't think it's about widening the meaning on child abuse to include post pubescent minors - because there is already a - phile word for that.

I think it's just a rebrand. Move away from the word that people associate with criminal behavior and onto somthing more fluffy.

What I don't get it MAP minor attacked person NOMAP non offending minor attacked person.

So anyone saying they are a MAP are admitting to actively engaging in child abuse - so why arnt the police investigating them or at least checking their hard drives?

I understand that people like to make a distinction between those attracted to teens (Ephebophilia attraction to those ranging from 15 - 19 and paedophilia being prepubescent children) and to children but I find a grown man pursuing a 15 year old just as problematic - I have a 15 year old CHILD myself.

I think we have seen from the latest gender issues that changing words can lead to changed perceptions. In any event, as I have said there seems to be plenty of self-proclaimed "MAPs" advertising their attraction to 6 - 8 year olds on line. So what you understand by "MAP" doesn't seem to be something they share.

becoming an acceptable

I have never seen this used in any mainstream place. I have never seen it used on mums net unless to talk about why it is unacceptable. I have never heard anybody use it either. I don't think that it is becoming unacceptable term. As previous posters have said I think it is simply a way of Paedophiles trying to make themselves sound better. It's nonsensical to think it will get added to the LBGT plus. It has absolutely nothing to do with LGBT+. Any attempt made to link it are disgraceful.

An MAP is sexually attracted to people who are minors

'Minor' covers anyone under the age of consent, not just those who are close to the age of consent, and even if you want to draw a distinction, specific attraction to people under the age of consent (as opposed to contemporaries who happen to be under the age of consent) still implies abuse because of the imbalance in power.

I believe their goal is for it to be classed as a sexuality so they can be protected under LGBT+.

I was thinking about this the other day actually, about how successful the rebranding has been. Not to the extent that it's actually removed the stigma or legitimised it, but I definitely see more people saying MAP than paedophile now. Maybe not on MN but on twitter, and on YouTube. A lot of platforms like YouTube demonitise your videos if you use words like paedophile so even just from that perspective MAP is a preferable choice of word for some content creators. I'm also starting more and more to see people drawing a distinction between MAPs and NOMAPs (non offending maps). I was shocked to find recently a YouTube I follow (and usually admire) discussing NOMAPs in one of her videos and describing them as "virtuous", "commendable" and "amazing". Because not raping children is sooooo virtuous. But the idea that stoically resisting your map tendancies is some superhuman act of virtue is something I expect to see more and more in the next few years. That's going to be the foot in the door that does the heavy lifting of shifting the Overton window. Just like fully transitioned dysphoric people were the foot in the door for the acceptance of non transitioning non dysphoria fetishists, my prediction is that the "super virtuous" NOMAPs will be the foot in the door for the acceptance of maps. Please note I am not saying there is an overlap between these 2 groups. I really think people will go for it as well. The idea that men should be allowed to do whatever they want sexually to whoever they want whenever they want, and that sex is a physical need for men, is so deeply held by so many that an attempt by a group to resist their sexual urges will be seen by many as the greatest act of virtue. Just look how many people argue that men have the right to rape and sexually abuse women through porn and prostitution. There's a thread on AIBU right now where many people are arguing for a mans right to share pornographic images of himself with an audience dominated by children with autism, because its "his body his choice". Or the troll/LOL doll thread where so many seemingly couldn't see the problem with toys for children that normalise sexual behaviour. I really think that we need to push back hard against any chances in language around paedophilia because we only seem to be a half step away from people being OK with it as it is. And once the change in language takes root it'll be a hard position to row back from, as we've already seen in areas around gender/sex work.

I thought, as a pp mentioned, that it was all about redefining paedophilia as just another sexual attraction, rather than as the criminal behaviour that it is.

Agree humpty.

I find the tolerance of this on twitter very worrying.

Is the problem that twitter's moderation policy is very dependent on people posting a complaint, and therefore perhaps not fit for purpose?

Rightly or wrongly, I wonder if people are disproportionately likely to be reported for posting a political opinion because people engage (however acrimoniously ) with 'the other side', but few people would want to voluntarily police people who advocate child abuse.

I thought ebephille was the word for under age but postpubescent attraction

MAPs are paedophiles its not just the age difference or teens as demonstrated in this twitter exchange

RCBadger
You would only use MAP to describe yourself though if there is a significant age difference or you have a fetish for 15 year olds, either way its still child abuse masquerading as a sexual orientation. And at what age do you determine pre pubescent if 9 year olds can have periods ???

You're so right Humpty

It's disgusting.

To be clear, I’m not talking about the discussion we’re having here. It’s the fact that twitter will suspend an account for calling a transwoman he, but talk about the rape of children is all just gravy.

And they can also get to fuck with their NOMAP bullshit.

I get that you can’t help what you can’t help, but that doesn’t mean that normalising the rape of children should be accepted without censure.

MAPs on Twitter who state their AOA (age of attraction). Some are incredibly young.

They're paedophiles attempting to justify what they do