Theyve gone too far this time!!

Back and bringing Stonewall's rugby tweet to all her followers!

She’s back!!!

twitter.com/titaniamcgrath/status/1295876206231945217?s=21

I found Jarvis and Titania funny - they poke fun at everything - which is the point.

Fallen thanks for the link to Jarvis’s articles. The ‘Intolerance is Such a Drag’ article is particularly blistering.

I hadn't found Jarvis before - thank you

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I'm gutted that Jarvis Dupont has been suspended, does anyone know who is behind that account?

Don't know who she is but she has articles in Spectator USA.
spectator.us/author/dummy_ulakgkqprdfme5iucxjq6njikvexample-com/

Sp¡ked article about the expulsion of Titania, Jarvis and other satirists: www.spiked-online.com/2020/08/18/twitters-purge-of-the-anti-woke-satirists/

Agree @HoneysuckIejasmine

I’m just saying we should be cautious about declaring someone to be an ally, as opposed to someone whose activities sometimes tangentially help the cause.

Satire is satire. Does it matter what the motivation behind it is if we can recognise what is being poked fun at and how absurd it all is. Look at Spitting Image. People from all political spectrum enjoyed it.

I'd agree there, Winter but I don't think it follows that we shouldn't acknowledge where we do agree because we don't on other things. I'm happy to let people have their own motivations for as long as our aims are the same, e.g. in your climate example. I wouldn't care what DMs thoughts were on the science as long as she was actually acting to reduce climate change anyway.

Yes I also assume all Titania output is satire, and I enjoy it very much. My objection was to Doyle being described up thread as being a supporter of women or some such, which I don’t think is right. He satirises the egregious left, but that’s not the same as actively being on the side of GC women.

It’s like my mother and climate change - she thinks it’s all a con and that the science is completely wrong, but she also thinks there should be fewer cars on the road and there’s too much plastic waste etc. Our preferred outcomes are the same, but the ideology behind it is completely different.

I struggle to see right wingers as feminist allies, as they’re usually very invested in conservatism and the structural status quo. Our views may happen to align on some issues, but it’s often from ideologically different places, which would clash over other issues.

I probably know the scene. I remember it stopping me in my tracks. And yes, the later discovery about her and her husband made it all clear what I had reacted to!

Sorry OP! Too much pondering...

Curious, total aside from the thread, but reading MZB gave me one of those rare but unmistakable Gavin de Becker type "gift of fear moments." This was decades before the truth about her being a serial sexual abuser came out, but I found one of the scenes in The Mists of Avalon really disturbing in a very visceral way. Then much later when the news broke, I had this real moment of "oh shit, those feelings all make perfect sense now!" Very creepy indeed.

I think there is a blind spot among some feminists when it comes to the gender debate - there’s a tendency to give a free pass to anyone who rejects gender ideology. Not sure that's true.

Just like the racism point above, I am willing to assume that all TM output is satirical. The character is something I like. The person behind the character I have no idea, don't really need to. If I was to learn he is incredibly misogynistic then it would colour how I see TMs outpourings, but wouldn't detract from them, iyswim.

It is rare I let what I know about an author spoil a book for me - Marion ZB for example.

Different comedians. JP is Tom Walker, TMcG is Andrew Doyle. Initially Doyle co wrote Jonathan Pie!

I'm not always a fan of Titania as I find a lot of the content to be pretty racist but still don't think the account should be removed.

I'm gutted that Jarvis Dupont has been suspended, does anyone know who is behind that account?

I really like a lot of what Doyle does and I’m a big fan of Jonathan Pie, but I think there is a blind spot among some feminists when it comes to the gender debate - there’s a tendency to give a free pass to anyone who rejects gender ideology.

Doyle is in the same ballpark as Jordan Peterson - yes they’re “on side” when it comes to some of the pomo bullshit, but ultimately they tend towards analyses that frame the status quo / patriarchy as somehow meritocratic. They are, in the end, white males with a vested interest in justifying their immense privilege.

Rejecting genderism is not the same as being on the side of women.

I wouldn’t trust Doyle as far as I could throw him when it comes to some of the front line women’s rights issues.

Walker is left of centre but intensely annoyed at how Momentum hijacked Labour and made them unelectable (Testify, Brother ). His recent rant on cancel culture was fucking superb.

Andrew Doyle writes for Spiked and is deffo right of centre. But very, very funny.

He seems to think, as do I, that the Left has eaten itself and all us natural Lefties need a new home!

It took me ages to convince DH that he was also Jonathan Pie, just after the Corbyn rant.

But yes! Show me where he hates women! That could be a game changer...

It is bloody good satire, long may she reign!

Tell us what he has said (or done) that makes him a woman-hater.

Please.