Transgender Vikings

But the history world was shaken three years ago when it emerged that a burial site that had been assumed to belong to a high-status warrior from the mid-900s housed a female skeleton.
Now scholars are exploring whether this could mean that the Norse people had transgender members

Yep because NO woman could ever be above the status of home maker.

Homemakers, thats really annoying, Viking women had all sorts of roles, farmers, craftswomen probably the most common.
My DS is a history student they learn historiography from school level up prescisely to avoid misinterpreting past events through the filter of present mores.

He starts his article by saying women were 'homemakers'. Viking women were regarded much more highly in Viking society than elsewhere in Europe at the time.

Or now, it would seem.

Oh my goood
From the journal nauticant linked
"Genderfluid" Odin rapes woman while dressed as a woman, this shows a negative attitude to crossdressers
kyngervi.files.wordpress.com/2019/06/am_i_not_a_woman_bull-1.pdf

He starts his article by saying women were 'homemakers'. Viking women were regarded much more highly in Viking society than elsewhere in Europe at the time.

Anyone would think women in history have just been a series of cooks, cleaners and child rearers and any female accomplishment actually has a a man stood behind it.

Perhaps every woman in history was really just a transwoman and we are only just being enlightened

Ffs.

you deny both the richness of women’s history and their agency, even repressive cultures. You also deny the richness and strangeness of history itself, by suggesting that all times and cultures must reflect only what you believe now, in this minute

I think that is a really interesting point. This desire to retrofit history through the fixations of the excitable proponents of the Ministry of Truth is another Year Zero impulse. It is not only totalitarian, but narcissistic. Trying to impose contemporary preoccupations on the past is indicative of a profound imaginative and critical failure to understand historical events and figures.

this might explain some it - the researcher quoted www.stonewall.org.uk/people/amy-jefford-franks

They've set up a journal to promote this genderwoowoo in Viking studies:

kyngervi.wordpress.com/2018/10/04/amy-jefford-franks-editor/

Having looked around on Google it seems there's a growing enthusiasm for "queering" archaeology and history for those periods where there are no substantial contemporaneous historical records.

Excellent analysis, nauticant.

It's also a sort of - shock, horror - "cultural imperialism" - insisting on interpreting a different culture through the narrow lens of some early 21st C westerners.

In some strongly gendered societies, in order for women to step out of their gender roles they had to constitute a separate gender class. However, this class identity was most likely an imposition put upon them, and something that they would have little say in.

Even now, as evidenced in Caroline PP's book, when 'male' is the default for a role, all the equipment will be designed to suit men.

In some strongly gendered societies, in order for women to step out of their gender roles they had to constitute a separate gender class. However, this class identity was most likely an imposition put upon them, and something that they would have little say in.

According to the new thinking, this then gets viewed through the gender identity ideology lens which says that someone having a gender role must also have an internal sense of having the corresponding gender identity. In other words, they must be trans.

It's the difference between a woman knowing she's a woman but also knowing that she has to put up with being labelled in some way, that is, an identity imposed from outside, and a woman labelling herself as having a trans identity because that's intrinsic to the gender role, that is, an identity self-generated from inside. Good luck with proving the latter of these. However, as we see time and time again, in the gender identity ideology no proof is ever required for any conclusion that abides by the precepts of the ideology.

I would say you couldn't make this shit up-but here is some crackpot making this shit up.

How about all the women currently in the forces? Are they really men because they're out fighting and not womanning at home in the kitchen?

Load of sexist bollocks.

So by this reasoning, any woman who does a ‘mans job’ is likely to be trans? I worked as a Systems Developer so I must be transgender.

You've created a bit of a paradox there. If the women working in tech can reasonably assumed to be transmen and if you believe that TWAW, doesn't it therefore follow that all the late transitioning TW working in IT are therefore TM and if TMAM then the late transitioning TW are in fact men.

‘We think the most likely explanation is that this was a female warrior.” Most likely? FFS!

Female - tick
Evidently a warrior - tick

Omg - don’t forget the most important thing, could have been a TRANS MAN!

utter shite. Even if she could possible, by any reasonable demonstration, have been “living as a man”, she was still female and a warrior.

Lots of women have disguised themselves as men in the past for blindingly obvious reasons. Didn’t make them not female.

@TheChampagneGalop It would be very interesting to see what Japanese women make of this 'women warriors' could be trans theory (and other Non Brit/US cultures) because I have a feeling the trans debate may not travel well in this context

“We think the most likely explanation is that this was a female warrior, but there are other ways of reading this. It may have been someone who, in our terms, was a trans man, someone living as a man.”
Well by that level of reasoning all the Viking warriors were transwomen 'cos they wore eyeliner.

Well, apparently no woman ever did anything notable in history ever.

Or, if she did, she was really a man, born in the wrong body.

And anyway, Eve was made from Adam's rib, so there!

Urgh,this is puerile stuff but by gosh it makes me angry. Sexist bollocks

I wonder if the samurai women who went out and fought instead of quietly comitting suicide when the enemy appeared to be winning were trans too?

Yep, Joan of Arc should be John of Arc.

I prefer Jonnie Darko.

It occurs to me that this ridiculous new definition of trans is actually trangress. Transgress the narrowest of gender identities, regressively I posed back in time even on societies that didn’t have the same gender role system, and you must have been trans. Especially if you’re female.

I wonder if Lady Fu Hao, Shang general, landowner, priestess and royal wife, was also “trans“. What happens if you fulfill a traditional feminine role and are also a kick-ass army leader? Hmmmmm? Maybe being trans trumps everything else

By the way, when the prestigious warrior grave from viking city Birka was revealed to be a woman's, there was a lot of opinionating from men that she hadn't actually been a warrior. The weapons? Just ceremonial, or something. Now they're transing her instead.
The patriarchal need to hide women's historical achievements is still ongoing. I'm going to buy "The Unwomanly Face of War" now.