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British police forces not welcoming 'gender critical' job applications

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SheWhoMustNotBeHeard · 16/08/2020 00:04

Sorry for the post and run as O have got to go to bed. I don't have the full story either

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/15/british-police-forces-not-welcoming-gender-critical-job-applications/

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Roswellconspiracy · 16/08/2020 12:22

Given the way that the police have followed up on complaints about GC people committing hate crimes, what would happen if the police received a complaint because an employee had attended a Woman's Place meeting?

Well we already know that lesbians in chairs will be forcibly removed from the premises whilst police stand by and do nothing as women are obstructed from entering or leaving a building as dozens of people bamg on windows and yell and chant the entire meeting

merrymouse · 16/08/2020 12:11

I can't think of a situation where it would be necessary to proclaim that fact in the course of duty though? I absolutely believe it is fact, but the duty is to uphold the law, not proclaim/debate/discuss these facts.

No, but equally the police should respect your right to practice Christianity when you are not on duty.

Given the way that the police have followed up on complaints about GC people committing hate crimes, what would happen if the police received a complaint because an employee had attended a Woman's Place meeting?

BovaryX · 16/08/2020 12:10

floisme
There is a Douglas Murray article about indoctrination on campus in the same paper. Here is a snippet:

^There might be some excuse if they were, as a by-product, being trained to be open-minded, perceptive and creative individuals. But for many people university is an indoctrination-camp, not a place for mental stimulation. Those who attend them are being factory-farmed to have the same boring and malevolent views. For example, you have to have been educated at a British university to go home and inform your parents that “gender is a social construct”. Or that the whole curriculum is “colonial” and needs to be “decolonised”.
Rather than improve British societies, the automatons churned out by our universities are merely clogging up our country with bad thinking which becomes (when the graduates are employed) massive bureaucratic distraction-techniques. That British universities expand and make money out of this venture does not endear them to all of us^

Floisme · 16/08/2020 12:05

Also I understand the police is now graduate only entry which, I am sad to say, looks likely to make matters worse.

merrymouse · 16/08/2020 12:04

The worst part of this is that they don't seem to understand the law.

Neither the EA or the GRA claim that it is possible to change biological sex, as evidenced by the exceptions that both acts contained.

BovaryX · 16/08/2020 12:00

@ThePurported

they are dancing to the tune of a niche lobby

The police are a major part of that lobby.

Officers can have multiple warrant cards so they can identify themselves as male one day and female the next.

Harry Miller's case was an opportunity for the police to put things right, but they didn't take it. They know exactly what they are doing.

Sadly, I think you are right. Increasingly, I regard the UK police as unfit for purpose. They are failing at the most basic level to do their job. At some point in the early part of the 21st century, their institutional philosophy became seriously compromised. And this extraordinary nonsense is just another example of that.
ThePurported · 16/08/2020 11:48

they are dancing to the tune of a niche lobby

The police are a major part of that lobby.

Officers can have multiple warrant cards so they can identify themselves as male one day and female the next.

Harry Miller's case was an opportunity for the police to put things right, but they didn't take it. They know exactly what they are doing.

SheWhoMustNotBeHeard · 16/08/2020 11:43

Agree with Floisme. It really doesn't matter why she asked, its the response that is the problem.

Public organisations such as the NHS and the police really need urgent reviews of their policies around the equality act and their interpretation of it.

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gardenbird48 · 16/08/2020 11:37

It stated that her views would likely result in her failing its “behavioural competency test”.
So it is specifically written into the recruitment/selection process that you have to accept that men can become women and it is a factor with such weight that you would not be selected if you don’t. Presumably even where you might be an outstanding candidate - this beggars belief!

ItalianHat · 16/08/2020 11:33

This is outrageous. So feminists not welcome, then?

Wasn't there a thread here about this from the actual applicant a few days ago?

BovaryX · 16/08/2020 11:31

@Imnobody4

Is it April 1st, the world has gone mad. I have no words anymore. How have the police come to this, is this graduate fast tracking coming home to roost, how, why, when. I want to see heads roll, this is blatant sex discrimination, it is mainly women who are openly GC on social media, who like posts. Why are they not concerned about officers who don't believe in single sex spaces.
Well said
BovaryX · 16/08/2020 11:29

This is absolutely extraordinary. The police need to have an ongoing relationship with external reality. Instead, they are dancing to the tune of a niche lobby and public confidence in them to pursue and arrest criminals is at an all time low. The upper echelons of the police are apparently unaware of the collapse in public confidence in them to actually do their job. Do UK cops even understand what their job is anymore?

Imnobody4 · 16/08/2020 11:25

Is it April 1st, the world has gone mad. I have no words anymore.
How have the police come to this, is this graduate fast tracking coming home to roost, how, why, when. I want to see heads roll, this is blatant sex discrimination, it is mainly women who are openly GC on social media, who like posts. Why are they not concerned about officers who don't believe in single sex spaces.

ThePurported · 16/08/2020 11:23

@SunsetBeetch

They've been absolutely Stonewashed, haven't they? It's frightening how much influence this biased lobby group has.
And Mermaids and others. The officer who checked Harry Miller's thinking had been on a course where he had been told that a female brain can accidentally end up in a male body - do we know who delivered that training?

The press should get their own house in order. They actively support this bullshit with their absurd rules on preferred pronouns and identity-over-sex.

SunsetBeetch · 16/08/2020 11:12

They've been absolutely Stonewashed, haven't they? It's frightening how much influence this biased lobby group has.

ThousandsAreSailing · 16/08/2020 11:10

Lougle
It would come up if a female officer was asked to strip search a trans woman because the force believes TWAW

ThePurported · 16/08/2020 11:08

@Lougle

I can't think of a situation where it would be necessary to proclaim that fact in the course of duty though? I absolutely believe it is fact, but the duty is to uphold the law, not proclaim/debate/discuss these facts.
But it's not about that. She is asking about her career prospects. She could be someone who has publicly expressed gender-critical views. She may have supported JK Rowling or said that only women have cervices - don't forget that these things can now be reported to the police as 'hate'. She is right to be concerned about her employment.
Roswellconspiracy · 16/08/2020 11:01

Well least they were honest I guess.

How one is supposed to have faith in the police when they do not believe in reality I dont know though

Wasn't there a recording floating around at some point where the police were gaslighting an assult victim by calling her ex boyfriend she?

Floisme · 16/08/2020 10:35

@Lougle

I can't think of a situation where it would be necessary to proclaim that fact in the course of duty though? I absolutely believe it is fact, but the duty is to uphold the law, not proclaim/debate/discuss these facts.
Well yes. But it is the police response that has made this an issue.

Why didn't they just say, 'This is not relevant. Our job is to withhold the law, nothing more, nothing less'?

Why are Norfolk Police instead saying this would ''not be something we could ­uphold within the constabulary”?

Why is a recruitment adviser talking about investigating officers who share these views?

wellbehavedwomen · 16/08/2020 10:34

@Lougle

I'm not sure that I disagree with this. I'm a Christian, so I have a particular set of beliefs which I base my life around, but when I was nursing, I had to leave those beliefs at the door. I wasn't allowed to share those beliefs with my patients (unless they were specifically asking me to, e.g. if a Christian patient asked if I believed, I would say I did). I am gender critical, but I wouldn't share that belief with a patient.

As a prospective police officer, I wouldn't share my privately held beliefs. So unless there was a question such as 'do you believe that TWAW?' it shouldn't come up during the process.

It stated that her views would likely result in her failing its “behavioural competency test”.

Recruitment for most such roles have psychometric testing at the application stage, with behavioural competency part of that. So if a question or questions pertain to this issue - and the response implies that they do - then yes, it comes up at the recruitment stage.

“I must point out that I am gender critical, which means that whilst I am firmly against abuse and discrimination to trans people, I do not believe you can change your biological sex,” she wrote.

That is, she was told, unacceptable. And she was also told:

“My views on this topic do not mean I would act with intolerance or abuse, just as an atheist would be no less likely to be able to be respectful towards a person of religion,” she wrote. “If there were serving officers with these views (as I know that there are), would their ­employment be under threat?”

A recruitment adviser invited her to hand over “details and any evidence” of officers who may share her views so they could be “investigated”.

ThinEndoftheWedge · 16/08/2020 10:32

I’m a Christian, so I have a particular set of beliefs which I base my life around, but when I was nursing,

But stating you can’t change sex isn’t a belief - it’s fact.

It’s akin to being barred from the police force because you believe the world is round.

I can't think of a situation where it would be necessary to proclaim that fact in the course of duty though? I absolutely believe it is fact, but the duty is to uphold the law, not proclaim/debate/discuss these facts.

I disagree. I can see many situations this is vitally important, particularly when preventing and investigating crimes with sexed based patterns of perpetrator and victim.

flowerrful · 16/08/2020 10:29

In Scotland, under a new law being brought in, people will be be at risk of being arrested and sent to prison for expressing gender critical thoughts. Whoever they're expressed to

FedUpAtHomeTroels · 16/08/2020 10:24

^A recruitment adviser invited her to hand over “details and any evidence” of officers who may share her views so they could be “investigated”*

Holy cow, McCarthyism alive and well.
Scientific fact isn't her beliefs or opinion for gods sake. How ca they do this. Madness.

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