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British police forces not welcoming 'gender critical' job applications

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SheWhoMustNotBeHeard · 16/08/2020 00:04

Sorry for the post and run as O have got to go to bed. I don't have the full story either

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/15/british-police-forces-not-welcoming-gender-critical-job-applications/

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ItalianHat · 16/08/2020 21:09

Apparently taxi drivers have different brain structures

But eny fule kno that taxi drivers are the third sex!

EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire · 16/08/2020 21:04

I thought it had already been established that the brain is plastic and is constantly rewiring itself and changing. So how would that fit in with boy brains/girl brains?

Apparently taxi drivers have different brain structures...

OldCrone · 16/08/2020 21:03

Quite simply if the biology at birth matched their gender there would be no problem.

What do you mean by this? It reads as though you are arguing for everyone to conform to the regressive gender stereotypes for their sex.

ThousandsAreSailing · 16/08/2020 21:03

Gender is created by society. A baby isn't born knowing that pink=girl, they learn that from the environment. Gender changes over time and place and is subjective

Roswellconspiracy · 16/08/2020 21:02

Then explain what gender is without using stereotypes

OldCrone · 16/08/2020 21:01

But I do believe in the girl/boy brain in the wrong body bit because of my own experiences.

Your brain is part of your body. It's not possible to have a brain in the wrong sex body from a scientific point of view. You are describing your own subjective experience which might help you to make sense of your own feelings, but there is no objective scientific evidence for this.

It is possible to not identify with the stereotypes imposed on you because of your sex.

It is possible to feel revulsion about part of your body, or a feeling that it doesn't belong to you. This is a psychological or neurological disorder.

But wrong-sexed brain for your body? Not literally possible.

Knoxinbox · 16/08/2020 21:00

@Gottalife

I was just trying to say that people make such a big deal about biology but biology fucks up sometimes and then you use that faulty biology to define people.
What a horrible disabilist statement to make!! Describing people with Downs Syndrome of having “fucked up biology” ShockShock

If you knew anything about biology you would know that chromosomal and genetic variation is the basis for the evolution of species.

What disabilist shit

EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire · 16/08/2020 20:59

@DialSquare

I wonder if Philip/Pippa Bunce gets a headache when their brain changes two days a week.
Grin
lady69 · 16/08/2020 20:59

Gendered brains are in the bottom right category

British police forces not welcoming 'gender critical' job applications
DialSquare · 16/08/2020 20:57

I wonder if Philip/Pippa Bunce gets a headache when their brain changes two days a week.

EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire · 16/08/2020 20:57

Quite simply if the biology at birth matched their gender there would be no problem. Everyone would be happy and no need for GC.

Gender is a social construct and has nothing to do with biology.

SentientAndCognisant · 16/08/2020 20:56

Re Girl brain ,boy brain it’s neurosexism and pseudoscience that’s harmful
This is not progressive it's regressive nonsense which is harmful to women ⬅️⬅️ This is spot on

Gottalife · 16/08/2020 20:55

@EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire

Someone born with a vagina is female.

I'm still confused as to how biology has fucked up for trans people though. Could you explain?

"Someone born with a vagina is female."

As I was. I could write a book on the nature vs nurture argument. But I won't.

"I'm still confused as to how biology has fucked up for trans people though. Could you explain?"

Quite simply if the biology at birth matched their gender there would be no problem. Everyone would be happy and no need for GC.

lady69 · 16/08/2020 20:55

@DianasLasso

You know, I'm not sure there's any point trying to argue with someone who thinks biological sex is an irrelevant factor in understanding sex-based discrimination.

It's so far divorced from reality, I don't think you could even begin to have a conversation.

Though quite what such a person thinks is the basis of sex based discrimination, is a bit of a mystery.

Agreed. It derails and leads nowhere, like trying to argue the toss with a flat earther. Best left alone. Hint.
PronounssheRa · 16/08/2020 20:52

Boy brain/girl brain is massively offensive to me as a women. That is what prevented women getting the vote, going to university etc, our silly little lady brains couldn't cope with such things.

This is not progressive it's regressive nonsense which is harmful to women.

SentientAndCognisant · 16/08/2020 20:50

There’s no such thing as a girl brain,or a boy brain. That’s simply Neurosexism
Check out Gina Ripon, Cordelia Fine both excellent at debunking bad science & myth

EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire · 16/08/2020 20:47

@Gottalife

Well thats just sticking two fingers up at pathologisation and the state. Can't say I blame them. But I do believe in the girl/boy brain in the wrong body bit because of my own experiences.
Then why don't they just use brain scans to find out if someone is really transgender?
JanMeyer · 16/08/2020 20:46

But I do believe in the girl/boy brain in the wrong body bit because of my own experiences.

Just because you believe it doesn't make it true, people believe all kinds of crazy things.
So far you've jumped from human beings can change sex to girl brain is a thing.
The only thing that makes a brain female is being in the head of one.
What do you think the differences between boy and girl brains are then?
And no, no- one is "born in the wrong body."

Roswellconspiracy · 16/08/2020 20:45

If that were true though then there would be brain scans and biopsies that were part of the dx process.

There aren't.

Gottalife · 16/08/2020 20:42

Well thats just sticking two fingers up at pathologisation and the state.
Can't say I blame them.
But I do believe in the girl/boy brain in the wrong body bit because of my own experiences.

EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire · 16/08/2020 20:29

Someone born with a vagina is female.

I'm still confused as to how biology has fucked up for trans people though. Could you explain?

EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire · 16/08/2020 20:28

Never mind x post.

DeaconBoo · 16/08/2020 20:23

Anyway, back to the OP. As PPs have said, shocking as it is that the police hold those attitudes, it's quite something else to freely admit it and presumably expect no negative consequences?

Are there any procedures to filter out particular political beliefs or religious beliefs etc? e.g. having had any terrorist sympathies or joined any groups? I have actually worked for the police and don't recall any questions about this.

EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire · 16/08/2020 20:20

@Gottalife

I was just trying to say that people make such a big deal about biology but biology fucks up sometimes and then you use that faulty biology to define people.
Can you explain how biology has fucked up for trans people?

Also what is an 'AIS survivor'?

JanMeyer · 16/08/2020 20:19

@Gottalife So you claim to have a disorder of sexual development yet you apparently believe humans can change sex. Doesn't make a lot of sense does it?
We're all still waiting btw, for you to explain why a person being aware of basic biology (i.e that humans can't change sex) is such a red flag.
And if you do really have a DSD how do you feel about trans activists co-opting language that relates to such conditions?

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