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Laverne Cox on Brene Brown's podcast

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Lottapianos · 13/08/2020 10:38

Oh lord, it was bad. You may say I only have myself to blame, and you would be right, and I knew the episode would annoy me, but I went in anyway!

Jesus, the fawning. I do like Brene Brown a lot, but she is a terrible fawner and boy did she turn it up to 11 with Laverne! So proud to refer to Laverne as 'my friend', praising Laverne's 'wonderful intellect' Hmm, basically on her knees in awe the whole way through

There was lots of tearful listing of names of transwomen who have been murdered - fine, those are sickening crimes and its perfectly legitimate to mention them . JK Rowling got mentioned a couple of times with a sigh and you could hear the eye roll- none of the content of what Rowling actually wrote or tweeted of course, just 'the JK Rowling issue' like shes the antichrist or something

Then the issue of women wanting to keep toilets etc as single sex spaces. Brene just DOESN'T GET IT and TWAW and she 'identifies as a woman' (no Brene, you just ARE a woman) and women need to remember that 'fear is not real, it's just a feeling'. Nice 🙄 then Laverne adds that 'ciswomen' need to carry out some 'self reflection' about why we're so het up about TW popping into women's toilets for a little old wee or whatever. Like, how does it affect us, really? And 'where is the love?'
Hmm we're all supposed to be rightly horrified by violence against transwomen, but heaven forbid that we acknowledge the violence and threats faced by women every single day

So yeah, it was profound. Shame on Brene Brown for enabling this shit - shes a bright, well educated women who is pretending to be stupid. Cox came across as arrogant and entitled, disguised with fake-bewildered, breathy delivery, and having zero empathy or understanding for women, and zero interest in engaging with women's very real concerns. And not enormously stable emotionally

I listened so you dont have to Smile just felt the need to get it off my chest!

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Lottapianos · 13/08/2020 16:52

'Maybe Laverne felt winning that Emmy was more a trans-story prize instead of real acting'

Well Laverne is a bloody awful, wooden actor to be fair!

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TheHeartbeat · 13/08/2020 16:49

The thing with Laverne Cox and Indya Moore I think is that they work in a field were they thought all their hopes and dreams would come true. (Maybe Laverne felt winning that Emmy was more a trans-story prize instead of real acting.)

They thought them being what they are would only help them stand out. Now that they’ve come to realise “No you won’t play Storm in the new X-men, The new Catwoman or Nakia in Black Panther.” I think they take out their frustrations on women.

Also, seeing all the support Halle Bailey got for getting the role of the Little Mermaid must have been stingy too. “So she gets to be different but I can’t?!?!! screw cis-women!!!” Okay maybe that’s a bit too conspiracy-theory.

Vermeil · 13/08/2020 15:00

Yup, and screw anybody else 😕

Lottapianos · 13/08/2020 14:57

Agree Vermeil, it's just endless demanding. I want all of the things all of the time because I say so

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fatblackcatspaw · 13/08/2020 13:46

Lottapianos YES YES YES

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EarlofEggMcMuffin · 13/08/2020 11:37

Oh, for flips sake, proof reading.

"for having read about"

thehumanformerlyknownasfemale · 13/08/2020 11:36

'fear is not real, it's just a feeling'.

How fucking insulting. Fear is an instinct, it's not something we've made up out of thin air. Plenty of women have real reason to fear men. Because of being raped, sexually assaulted, violently abused. Even if a woman has never experienced those, we know it's still a massive possibility.

Why should a woman who has been the victim of male violence have to walk into a toilet/changing room (a small enclosed space) and be faced with someone who is obviously a biological man. How are we supposed to know who is genuine and who is not?

Self reflection? Fuck off. I think the trans community need to do some serious reflecting. Maybe start with asking themselves why they're so determined to make women feel as uncomfortable as possible-they could petition for 3rd spaces. I'd gladly join that petition. But that doesn't seem as fun as demanding women give up theirs, does it?

Maybe then they could reflect on why they're petitioning to keep TW in women's sports when it's been proven they maintain a significant (and possibly dangerous) advantage. Ask themselves why they're happy to cheat women out of achievements, and potentially hurt women in the process.

Then they could reflect on why they think rape and death threats are an appropriate way to communicate with any woman (never men) who they disagree with.

That's who needs to take a look at themselves, not women who, shock horror ,just want to keep a few fucking spaces for ourselves. Funny no one ever wants to publicly acknowledge the behaviour of the other side though, eh?

EarlofEggMcMuffin · 13/08/2020 11:35

I am not in the better of having read-out the crime, of which Synthia Chyna Blast is guilty.
Rape, torture and murder of a 13year old. www.womenarehuman.com/vicious-child-rapist-murderer-demands-sex-change-freedom-synthia-china-blast/

There is no world in which I would advocate for their release.

It tells a lot about the mindset of Laverne Cox that Laverne would lend any support to Synthia's case. And, whilst Laverne may have retracted their support, it really really shouldn't have happened in the first place.

I have, until now, been a fan of Brene Brown and have recommended her books to many.
Unfortunately, this is a massive lapse in judgement on her part.
Brene's background is in Social Work.
As such, she has a duty to be aware of child protection, and she should be aware of how manipulation and coercion works.
It is all too easy to be manipulated to collude in abuse at an individual or societal level.
I am so disappointed by her.

Skyliner001 · 13/08/2020 11:28

I'm not GC but feel the pain of listening to a sycophantic interview. It's always a really bad start to a discussion. You don't tend to get any insight from the subject because it's all praise praise praise.

EverardDigby · 13/08/2020 11:25

Glad I'd already unsubscribed for the fawning then....

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fatblackcatspaw · 13/08/2020 11:14

thanks I've had my concerns about Brene for a while ... but good to know I can avoid...

Lottapianos · 13/08/2020 10:56

Or a fool! Grin

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highame · 13/08/2020 10:43

You are a Saint Halo