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Help - looking for reliable stats on violence against trans people

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crunchermuncher · 13/08/2020 10:35

I wonder if anyone can help - I've been discussing the need for women only spaces with a friend. He is supportive however seems to have bought the narrative that trans people are more at risk than women.

Where does this come from?
I have been searching for stats about this for days. I have found info on fair play for women about murder rates which seem broadly the same between the 2 groups but of course this doesn't capture other forms of violence and abuse.

Can anyone link me to any studies?

Has this belief come from women not being a minority group (we are an oppressed majority) and therefore are somehow less deserving of support?

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Justjoinedforthis · 13/08/2020 11:20

No I know, it just surprised me from that data! I am mega gender critical but I find the race to the bottom of who has it worst quite frustrating.
I personally think that in the toilet scenario many men would be more likely to batter a man who is trying to live as a woman, as they would excuse it as just a fight, not ‘woman beating’.
And I hate that in this debate I know have to add something like “not to deny the extreme prevalence of male violence against women”.

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crunchermuncher · 13/08/2020 11:15

Just joined that's not really relevant to this discussion, we're talking about male violence against women. Men do not need safe spaces from women; it's nearly always men perpetrating the violence whichever sex it's aimed at.

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crunchermuncher · 13/08/2020 11:12

I agree with all the above. But I'm not going to change anyones mind without evidence to back up my annoyance at the 'most oppressed group ever' argument. My feelings are, rightly, not enough to base a logical argument on.

And it was me complaining about the issue to him to start with, so I think the onus is on me to provide data. He 'read it somewhere' which I know is a rubbish answer and being a scientist he knows and acknowledges that too, but I'm in the same position of feeling like 'I read it somewhere' (that women are actually more at risk) but can't locate where. We can't all remember the source of every bit of info we've absorbed over our lives and we'd like to actually sit down and examine some data to see where this common belief has come from and whether it's purely Twitter nonsense about 'literal violence', or whether more to it than that.

Also, I want to write to my MP and want to marshal a robust argument before I put pen to paper (or fingers to keyboard).

Interestingly, I did put the argument forward that the problem is men's violence and not women's problem to solve, which was a perspective he hadn't considered before, and thought that it made a lot of sense. I don't blame him for not seeing that initially, it's not a view that gets much airtime. Because violence against women is so normalised in our society.

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Justjoinedforthis · 13/08/2020 11:11

So men are more likely to be killed than women in England from that data

NearlyGranny · 13/08/2020 11:01

See Posy Parker on the 'transwomen higher murder rate' statistic being thrown about by activists that turned out to refer only to trans sex workers in Brazilian favellas. Tragic and wrong, of course, but nobody had the comparable stat for non-trans sex workers, so... 🤷🏼‍♀️

What we DO know from UK crime statistics is that there is a higher chance of a transwoman committing a murder than being the victim of one, though this may be skewed by suspected/convicted murderers transitioning in custody when their motives and sincerity could be unclear.

NearlyGranny · 13/08/2020 10:55

Erm, why not ask him to show you the stats that make him believe transwomen are more at risk (from male violence) than women? He's the one making the claim; he should substantiate it, surely?

SerenityNowwwww · 13/08/2020 10:47

And the lockdown stats are higher arent they? And yet... women’s violence isn’t seen as important as someone crossing swords on twitter and hurting someone’s feelings.

Clymene · 13/08/2020 10:46

It's his assertion, he needs to find the stats to back it up.

Two women a week are murdered in the U.K. by their male partners or ex partners.

SerenityNowwwww · 13/08/2020 10:45

Don’t forget that ‘abuse’ (or ‘violence’ in the loosest sense if the word) is counted on a whole range of words and behaviour, whereas a woman can get groped/ catcalled/ threatened with rape and murder - and it’s not counted at all as being down to her sex.

SweetGrapes · 13/08/2020 10:42

Sorry - ignore me. it's just frustration talking. I'm sure someone will be along with some stats and links any minute.

SweetGrapes · 13/08/2020 10:40

Do you need stats? Aren't they two different issues?

It's men being violent to people who present differently. They need to sort their own house out.

The ladies is not a sanctuary for people who feel unsafe in the gents.

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