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Stonewall drop Mermaids?

163 replies

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 12/08/2020 15:46

Seems Stonewall used to direct young people to Mermaids. But the link has been removed from the page?:

www.stonewall.org.uk/help-advice/coming-out/coming-out-young-person

And the page that used to be on there appears to be blank:

www.stonewall.org.uk/organisations/mermaids

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark, y'all.

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highame · 12/08/2020 20:57

That's a really good theory exwhyzed

or, there's a class action on it's way but yours is better

BertiesLanding · 12/08/2020 20:57

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Iamonlyme · 12/08/2020 20:36

I for one would assist in supporting past the free trial and indeed supporting other costs as a group to archive the madness.
I am very new to this scary world and honestly as an edcuated 40 something i cannot believe this is not more on the radar of friends family and peers. @needaMNnamegenerator

SerenityNowwwww · 12/08/2020 20:27

Girl guides.

ThinEndoftheWedge · 12/08/2020 20:26

Surrey County Council ‘Anti Bullying’ resources - but let’s not worry about bullying girls when they don’t want to be undressed in front of boys

www.surreycc.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/187293/Surrey-anti-bullying-resources.pdf

Foggyday124 · 12/08/2020 20:23

If you can think of how to search it, I can look up sectors. I could do the same for anyone else (Stonewall?)

Might have misunderstood the question above but ac.uk is for universities.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 12/08/2020 20:18

Great stuff, needa!

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Angryresister · 12/08/2020 20:08

Great work needa i looked at the Leeds link but couldn’t see Mermaids there

titchy · 12/08/2020 20:06

If you can think of how to search it, I can look up sectors. I could do the same for anyone else (Stonewall?)

.gov domain gives you central and local government?

needaMNnamegenerator · 12/08/2020 19:58

BBC pages that link to Mermaids:

The story of two transgender children - BBC News
www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-32037397 26/06/2020

Transgender children: 'I don't want to grow a beard' - BBC News
www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36141165 16/03/2020

BBC Three - Transsexual Teen, Beauty Queen
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00w09yg 04/03/2020

BBC Radio 4 - 15 Minute Drama, Just a Girl: Series 1, Episode 1
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04v2ynx 27/02/2020

Transgender children: Buying time by delaying puberty - BBC News
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44661079?ocid=synd_news_newsloop_health 17/02/2019

BBC - Information and Support: Gender Identity
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/5zvRZW3yRHjqczdwd0gv3S0/information-and-support-gender-identity 10/02/2019

BBC Radio 4 - Woman's Hour, Transgender Children, Anna Krien, Sharia Wills
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04v2ynv 19/10/2018

undergroundoverit · 12/08/2020 19:52

Sorry if this has already been posted, but there's still a link to Mermaids on the NHS Wales Gender Identity page -

http://www.genderidentity.wales.nhs.uk/useful-links

ClosdesMouches · 12/08/2020 19:51

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needaMNnamegenerator · 12/08/2020 19:49

Thanks OhHolyJesus - it's the power of technology! It's from a backlink checker. I have a list of 5000 websites that link to Mermaids (the limit of my free trial - there would be a lot more if I paid for it).

If you can think of how to search it, I can look up sectors. I could do the same for anyone else (Stonewall?)

So far I've searched on .ac.uk, .sch and police.

OhHolyJesus · 12/08/2020 19:33

All those links needaMNname - amazing work!

needaMNnamegenerator · 12/08/2020 19:32

I can only find one link to Mermaids from a police force, I'm surprised!

Ask NED - How can we help? | Devon and Cornwall Police www.devon-cornwall.police.uk/contact/ask-ned/contact/5e50e907-9a29-e711-a365-00505601867d

Has anyone else seen others?

OhHolyJesus · 12/08/2020 19:27

I still see links and references to Mermaids on the Stonewall site too but it's a useful reminder to archive everything now, not that I think they could deny it really but it doesn't hurt.

I have access to some wayback machine Stonewall links and some stuff on Blockers in general.

needaMNnamegenerator · 12/08/2020 19:26

Here's a list of school - including primary schools - that link to Mermaids. Sad

Again, I've not checked the link is still live.

Welcome to Barrington Primary School
www.barrington.cambs.sch.uk/website/diversity_and_inclusion/431460 10/08/2020

Pippins Primary School: Websites
www.pippins.slough.sch.uk/page/websites/60609 09/08/2020

Mental wellbeing - King Edward VI School
intranet.kes.hants.sch.uk/health-and-welfare/health/mental-wellbeing 07/08/2020

Stapleton House - The Grange School
www.grange.bucks.sch.uk/students/help-and-support/stapleton-house 07/08/2020

LGBT+ Support - Duncanrig Secondary School
www.duncanrig.s-lanark.sch.uk/privacy_notice-2/ 07/08/2020

Health & Wellbeing - Branston Community Academy
branstonca.lincs.sch.uk/wellbeing/ 07/08/2020

Child Sexual Exploitation
www.springwater.n-yorks.sch.uk/parents-carers/important-information/child-sexual-exploitation 06/08/2020

LGBT - PRESTWICK ACADEMY
www.prestwick.sayr.sch.uk/lgbt.html 05/08/2020

Student Wellbeing during academy closure – Erdington Academy
www.erdingtonacademy.bham.sch.uk/academy-life/student-wellbeing-during-academy-closure/ 05/08/2020

Pastoral Care | Aylesbury High School
www.ahs.bucks.sch.uk/category/pastoral-care/ 05/08/2020

Diversity | Juniper Hill School
www.juniperhill.bucks.sch.uk/diversity/ 05/08/2020

Emotional Wellbeing – Page 6 – Sackville School
sackville.w-sussex.sch.uk/wellbeing-2/6/ 04/08/2020

Useful Links | Kettlefields Primary School
www.kettlefields.cambs.sch.uk/useful-links/ 04/08/2020

Pixmore Junior School - Health and Well-being
pixmore.herts.sch.uk/about/parents/health-and-well-being 04/08/2020

LGBTQ+
cttc.staffs.sch.uk/lgbtq.html 03/08/2020

Well-being contacts - St Thomas More Catholic School
www.st-thomasmore.walsall.sch.uk/well-being-contacts/ 03/08/2020

Coronavirus – Presdales School & Sixth Form | Ware | Hertfordshire
presdales.herts.sch.uk/coronavirus/ 03/08/2020

Gorse Hill Primary School :
gorsehill.trafford.sch.uk/inclusive.html 03/08/2020

Westminster Primary School: Rainbow Flag Award
www.westminsterprimary.cheshire.sch.uk/page/rainbow-flag-award/34403 03/08/2020

Bellahouston Academy
www.bellahoustonacademy.glasgow.sch.uk/PlainText/PlainText.aspx?SectionId=62f17512-0392-44d9-bbe2-7c8bd87eaecb 29/07/2020

Advice & Support
rushcliffe.notts.sch.uk/index.php/advice-support 26/07/2020

Student Resources - Ranelagh School
www.ranelagh.bracknell-forest.sch.uk/student-safeguarding/ 26/07/2020

Advice for Wellbeing | Thamesmead School
thamesmead.surrey.sch.uk/remote-learning/wellbeing/ 21/07/2020

LGBT+ Inclusion | Rolls Crescent
rolls-crescent.manchester.sch.uk/inclusion/lgbt-inclusion 21/07/2020

Parents | Pilgrim School
www.pilgrim.lincs.sch.uk/Parents 21/07/2020

LGBT Support, Information and Advice | Hazlehead Academy
hazleheadacy.aberdeen.sch.uk/lgbt/lgbt-support-information-and-advice/ 21/06/2020

School Wellbeing - Identity, society and equality - including LGBT and global education.
www.schoolwellbeing.co.uk/pages/identity-society-and-equality-including-lgbt-and-global-education 03/05/2020

Wellbeing and Mental Health - Heathside School
www.heathside.surrey.sch.uk/pastoral-welfare/wellbeing-and-mental-health 25/04/2020

All God's Children (LGBT+)
www.st-margarets.warrington.sch.uk/mailing-list/27-latest-news/436-all-god-s-children-lgbt 28/11/2019

Gender Identity
www.schoolhealth.cnwl.nhs.uk/young-people/health-and-wellbeing-zone/gender-identity/ 17/10/2019

Combs Ford Primary School - Useful Links
combsfordprimaryschool.schooljotter2.com/parents/useful-links 01/09/2019

Brookfield Community School Sexuality and Gender Identity
brookfield.hants.sch.uk/brookfield/sexualityandgender.php 31/08/2019

Bannerman High School
ttp://www.bannermanhigh.glasgow.sch.uk/PlainText/PlainText.aspx?SectionId=0e45a81f-ac64-43c8-9445-9710d7057351 30/08/2019

Support Links » THE COTTESLOE
www.cottesloe.bucks.sch.uk/safeguarding/support-links/ 29/08/2019

Useful Websites & Contacts
exminster-primary.devon.sch.uk/parents/mental-health-wellbeing-mindfulness/useful-websites-to-support-mental-health-and-well-being 29/08/2019

Welcome to Collaton St Mary CofE Primary
www.collaton-st-mary-primary.torbay.sch.uk/website/pastoral_care/388816 10/07/2019

English Martyrs Catholic Primary School - Helpful Links
english.schooljotter2.com/news-events/helpful-links 25/04/2019

Information longsands.cambs.sch.uk/information/pages/getting_help_01.htm 23/01/2019

Information
ernulf.cambs.sch.uk/information/pages/getting_help_01.htm 06/01/2019

Pupil & Family Support Workers (Learning Mentors) | Castle Batch Primary School Academy
www.castlebatch.n-somerset.sch.uk/pupil-family-support-workers-learning-mentors/ 22/12/2018

Do you feel safe? | Corsham Regis Primary Academy
www.corshamregis.wilts.sch.uk/do-you-feel-safe/ 20/12/2018

LGBT | Manea Community Primary School
www.manea.cambs.sch.uk/lgbt-1/ 20/12/2018

Safeguarding – St.Mary's CE Primary School
www.stmarys.slough.sch.uk/safeguarding/?s= 09/11/2018

NeurotrashWarrior · 12/08/2020 19:21

I think The problem is really in the provision of things like information & advice, support groups & befriending. None of those are regulated. None of those are inspected. Funders will ask in great detail how you do things but they don’t check, as long as you have a policy they won’t look any further

Residentials, forums and emails are not transparent in any way shape or form.

They can have dbs checked young volunteers as part of the policy; there's no dbs that can record the kind of emotional manipulation that detransed people describe when they become part of the trans cult, in real life or online.

Totickleamockingbird · 12/08/2020 19:20

@needaMNnamegenerator
Many thanks for explaining this.

needaMNnamegenerator · 12/08/2020 19:19

Here's a list of .ac.uk pages that link to Mermaids - mostly universities. I haven't had a chance to check if the link is still live on these - the date is when my link checker gizmo last saw the link, so it gives an idea of which may be out of date (but not totally reliable, it might still be there)

COVID-19 Equality Impact Assessment | University of Essex www.essex.ac.uk/student/equality-and-diversity/covid-19-equality-impact-assessment 12/08/2020

For Students | University of Leeds students.leeds.ac.uk/info/100002/big_white_wall_resources_and_self_help/1258/recommended_resources_and_self_help 10/08/2020

LGBTQ+ Resources
www.northumbria.ac.uk/about-us/equality-and-diversity/lgbtq-network/northern-pride/lgbtq-resources/ 10/08/2020

Support during the coronavirus pandemic - Equality, Diversity and Inclusion, University of York www.york.ac.uk/about/equality/staff/equality-networks/lgbti--matters/resources/support-during-coronavirus-pandemic/ 09/08/2020

Sex and Sexuality
www.yorkcollege.ac.uk/intranet/329-student-services/counselling/1567-sex-and-sexuality.html 09/08/2020

FAQs | The University of Edinburgh www.ed.ac.uk/generation-scotland/covidlife-volunteers/faqs 08/08/2020

What support and resources are available if I’ve experienced a hate incident? - Report + Support - Durham University reportandsupport.durham.ac.uk/support/what-support-and-resources-are-available-if-ive-experienced-a-hate-incident 08/08/2020

Training, resources and glossary | Equality and Diversity Unit edu.admin.ox.ac.uk/support-resources-and-glossary 07/08/2020

LGBT+ - Equality Policy Unit
equality.leeds.ac.uk/support-and-resources/useful-links/lgbt/ 07/08/2020

LGBT+ support outside the University - Swansea University www.swansea.ac.uk/campuslife/lgbtplussupport/lgbtsupportoutsideoftheuniversity/ 07/08/2020

LGBTQ+ - Mental Health and Wellbeing - Subject Guides at The University of Bolton libguides.bolton.ac.uk/lifelounge/lgbtq 07/08/2020

LGBTQ+ [RESOURCES] - Kidderminster College www.kidderminster.ac.uk/lgbtq-resources/ 07/08/2020

Other help & Information - Student Services - University of Liverpool www.liverpool.ac.uk/studentsupport/counselling/otherhelpinformation/ 06/08/2020

Counselling Service : Self Help - Durham University www.dur.ac.uk/counselling.service/selfhelp/ 05/08/2020

Drag queen calendar is talk of the Toon | The University of Sunderland www.sunderland.ac.uk/more/news/story/drag-queen-calendar-is-talk-of-the-toon-855 05/08/2020

Student Services - Weymouth College www.weymouth.ac.uk/studying-with-us/student-services/ 05/08/2020

Trans Student Journey | Trinity Laban www.trinitylaban.ac.uk/student-life/student-support/trans-student-journey 04/08/2020

Safeguarding and Child Protection – New College Doncaster ncdoncaster.ac.uk/safeguarding-and-child-protection/ 03/08/2020

International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia 2020 - ‘Breaking the Silence’ - MyQMUL
my.qmul.ac.uk/news-and-events/news/items/international-day-against-homophobia-transphobia-and-biphobia-2020---breaking-the-silence.html 01/08/2020

Links to Support Organisations – Inclusivity Toolkit sites.marjon.ac.uk/inclusivity/links-to-support-organisations/ 29/07/2020

Campus Services news intranet.birmingham.ac.uk/campus-services/news/Campus-Services-news.aspx 27/07/2020

Terfism is White Distraction: On BLM, Decolonising the Curriculum, Anti-Gender Attacks and Feminist Transphobia | Engenderings blogs.lse.ac.uk/gender/2020/06/19/terfism-is-white-distraction-on-blm-decolonising-the-curriculum-anti-gender-attacks-and-feminist-transphobia/ 25/07/2020

LGBT Links and Resources | LGBT | University of Greenwich www.gre.ac.uk/lgbt/lgbt-links-and-resources 25/07/2020

Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Brooklands College www.brooklands.ac.uk/latest-news/coronavirus-covid-19/ 21/07/2020

Resources
info.lse.ac.uk/staff/divisions/equity-diversity-and-inclusion/Staff-networks/Spectrum/Resources 14/07/2020

About us | Administration and support services | Imperial College London
www.imperial.ac.uk/equality/staff-networks/imperial-600/about-us/ 12/07/2020

Equality, Diversity and Inclusion - Modern Languages, School of - Newcastle University ncl.ac.uk/sml/edi/ 08/07/2020

The Social Ideas Podcast: LGBTQ+ History Month socialinnovation.blog.jbs.cam.ac.uk/2020/02/28/the-social-ideas-podcast-lgbtq-history-month/ 04/07/2020

IDAHOT 2017 | Kent LGBT+ Staff Network blogs.kent.ac.uk/lgbtstaff/events/why-is-there-an-international-day-against-homophobia-and-transphobia/idahot-2017/ 01/07/2020

The Emotional Stress of Gender Dysphoria and How to Help – The EDIT Blog
blogs.kcl.ac.uk/editlab/2018/05/02/following-stress-awareness-month-the-emotional-stress-of-gender-dysphoria-and-how-to-help/ 13/06/2020

Trans Support and Resources | University of South Wales advice.southwales.ac.uk/a2z/lgbt-support-and-information/trans-support-and-resources/ 13/06/2020

LGBTQ+ Students - LIVE Smart - LibGuides at University of Dundee libguides.dundee.ac.uk/c.php?g=664589&p=4702861 07/05/2020

LGBT Students | York St John University www.yorksj.ac.uk/student-services/success-programmes/further-support/lgbt-students/ 08/02/2020
Transgender and Non-binary www.staffs.ac.uk/support_depts/equality/issues/transgender 27/01/2020

Further Help | University of South Wales talkingzone.southwales.ac.uk/further-help/ 31/12/2019

News | ESRC Centre for Corpus Approaches to Social Science (CASS) cass.lancs.ac.uk/?cat=13 24/12/2019

Safeguarding and Child Protection – New College Pontefract www.ncpontefract.ac.uk/safeguarding/ 04/12/2019

Trans Support and Resources unilife.southwales.ac.uk/pages/3392 12/09/2019

Showcasing Diversity at Warwick warwick.ac.uk/services/equalops/getinvolved/events/past/showcasingdiversity 08/09/2019

Online resources A-Z | Bournemouth University www.bournemouth.ac.uk/students/health-wellbeing/resources/online-resources-z 03/09/2019

Online resources A-Z | Bournemouth University www.bmth.ac.uk/students/health-wellbeing/resources/online-resources-z 03/09/2019

[Astlgbtstaff] LGBT+ Election, Meeting, History Month, and Social! lists.aston.ac.uk/pipermail/ast_lgbt_staff/2018-January/000067.html 31/08/2019

Transgender Awareness : Equality and Diversity : ... : School of Education and Social Work : Schools and services : University of Sussex
www.sussex.ac.uk/esw/internal/forstaff/eandd/trans 31/07/2019

  1. Support, resources and glossary, Equality and Diversity www.admin.ox.ac.uk/eop/transgender/transgenderguidance/16supportresourcesandglossary/ 14/07/2019

LGBT resources | Health and wellbeing | Portal | Southampton Solent University
portal.solent.ac.uk/support/health-wellbeing/equality-and-diversity/lgbt-staff-network/lgbt-staff-network-resources.aspx 21/06/2019

Expert advice from our partners - University of Exeter www.exeter.ac.uk/staff/equality/toolkit/expertadvicefromourpartners/ 04/06/2019

News teds.ac.uk/news/gender-dysphoria 15/05/2019

Wed 17 May 12.00-14.00 International Day against Homophobia and Transphobia - IDAHOT - Social Policy, Sociology and Social Research - University of Kent
www.kent.ac.uk/sspssr/news-events/index.html?view=3444 20/04/2019

2019: (Re)Thinking Trans Healthcare Conference | Faculty of Social Sciences and Law | University of Bristol bristol.ac.uk/fssl/events/2019/rethinking-trans-healthcare-conference.html 27/03/2019

Further Help & Information, nisbcs.southwales.ac.uk/caerleon_information/ 18/03/2019

Supporting Families - University of Worcester www.worc.ac.uk/discover/cpcc-supporting-families.html 11/02/2019

Imperial 600 | Administration and support services | Imperial College London scope-uk.ac.uk/equality/staff-networks/imperial-600/ 24/01/2019

Imperial 600 | Administration and support services | Imperial College London ewre.cv.ic.ac.uk/equality/staff-networks/imperial-600/ 22/01/2019

Imperial 600 | Administration and support services | Imperial College London www.ce.imperial.ac.uk/equality/staff-networks/imperial-600/ 08/01/2019

Links | Supporting trans* students supportingtransstudents.myblog.arts.ac.uk/links/ 08/01/2019

Imperial 600 | Administration and support services | Imperial College London search.ic.ac.uk/equality/staff-networks/imperial-600/ 28/12/2018

Imperial 600 | Administration and support services | Imperial College London wrp.cc.gslb.ic.ac.uk/equality/staff-networks/imperial-600/ 25/12/2018

Imperial 600 | Administration and support services | Imperial College London ic-www.ic.ac.uk/equality/staff-networks/imperial-600/ 23/12/2018

Milestones marked at LGBT Centre's inaugural conference dmu.ac.uk/about-dmu/news/2017/february/milestones-marked-at-lgbt-centres-inaugural-conference.aspx 11/12/2018

  1. Support, resources and glossary, Equality and Diversity www1.admin.ox.ac.uk/eop/transgender/transgenderguidance/16supportresourcesandglossary/ 04/11/2018

Imperial 600 | Administration and support services | Imperial College London www.ic.ac.uk/equality/staff-networks/imperial-600/ 29/10/2018

JISCMail - MEDSOCNEWS Archives www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A2=MEDSOCNEWS;8f0aeabd.1810 17/10/2018

houseofcardsdown · 12/08/2020 19:18

Kit19 I agree wholeheartedly!!

Place I whistleblew at was a befriending charity. No personal care involved so not inspected but in reality trustees seemed to think it was fine if a volunteer went into a toilet cubicle to help a beneficiary out ShockI could not get the trustees to understand why that wasn't ok, nor why we really genuinely did need to have an accident book to record incidents in. They thought that safeguarding was 'nanny state gone mad' despite being involved with extremely vulnerable people.

See also: counselling charities. Unregulated, peeps! I worked for a youth counselling charity that had a safer recruitment policy it didn't bother to follow. No identity or reference checks, before sending people off to spend an hour alone with very vulnerable children.

It's the cracks that are the problem and there are SO many.

Kit19 · 12/08/2020 19:13

I work in the charity sector too houseofcards & I know what you’re saying. Did you see the survey civil society did with trustees? 97% said they were confident of spotting & stopping wrong doing in their own charity. Cue hysterical laughter.... It’s terrifying how wrong so many of them are!

The charity commission is primarily responsible for ensuring charities comply with charity law

If a charity is providing a regulated service it should be monitored by the same regulator as the private sector so any personal care service should be monitored by the CQC

Education services by ofstead

Any contract awarded by a local authority should require compliance with local authority safeguarding procedures

I think The problem is really in the provision of things like information & advice, support groups & befriending. None of those are regulated. None of those are inspected. Funders will ask in great detail how you do things but they don’t check, as long as you have a policy they won’t look any further

It’s No one job to objectively check if Mermaids information, advice & support is accurate, fair, provided without prejudice & of a high quality. Any evaluation will be paid for by mermaids themselves so not objective

It’s a huge gap in monitoring & regulation

needaMNnamegenerator · 12/08/2020 19:11

More local council pages linking to Mermaids. As above, I 've checked all of these have the link still on them, but I haven't archived them.

LGBTQ+ | Test Valley Borough Council
testvalley.gov.uk/communityandleisure/communitywellbeing/children-and-young-people/support-for-young-people/lgbtq?displaypref=contrast

/jsna/KYPS_resources - InstantAtlasâ„¢ Server
observatory.kirklees.gov.uk/jsna/KYPS_resources

SENDIASS advice and support service
www.barnsley.gov.uk/sendiass

who is already involved? www.leeds.gov.uk/childfriendlyleeds/how-do-i-get-involved/who-is-already-involved

Gender re-assignment equality - Derbyshire County Council
derbyshire-preview.derbyshire.gov.uk/council/equalities/gender-re-assignment/gender-re-assignment-equality.aspx

Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, Intersex or Asexual (LGBTQIA)? | Islington Directory
directory.islington.gov.uk/kb5/islington/directory/advice.page?id=S2tsLhZoJy4&fbclid=IwAR1iT_yfQA-wSdrTPBFJOQVpW36dmouqa4I8CoI0Rva3Et08ol3sJi7U3Yo