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Stonewall drop Mermaids?

163 replies

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 12/08/2020 15:46

Seems Stonewall used to direct young people to Mermaids. But the link has been removed from the page?:

www.stonewall.org.uk/help-advice/coming-out/coming-out-young-person

And the page that used to be on there appears to be blank:

www.stonewall.org.uk/organisations/mermaids

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark, y'all.

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SerenityNowwwww · 13/08/2020 12:44

I have met some spectacularly dim ‘smart’ people. And some very gullible ones.

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 13/08/2020 12:42

@MrsNoah2020

It's better than I could have hoped - JM admitting to both advising and funding Mermaids. I believe that's what his criminal law colleagues call having coughed Wink

Let's see the sanctimonious twat get out of that one when Mermaids hits the buffers.

Amazing.

For a QC, he seems awfully dim.

SerenityNowwwww · 13/08/2020 12:41

What’s his dog on this race? I assume he has one.

Helmetbymidnight · 13/08/2020 12:40
Grin
MrsNoah2020 · 13/08/2020 12:40

It's better than I could have hoped - JM admitting to both advising and funding Mermaids. I believe that's what his criminal law colleagues call having coughed Wink

Let's see the sanctimonious twat get out of that one when Mermaids hits the buffers.

MrsNoah2020 · 13/08/2020 12:37

Nice work, Agent Helmetbymidnight Smile

Helmetbymidnight · 13/08/2020 12:24

oh yes.

Stonewall drop Mermaids?
ScrimpshawTheSecond · 13/08/2020 12:22

Agree, MrsNoah. But here they are re-affirming their support. So it's all good. Smile

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MrsNoah2020 · 13/08/2020 12:14

Can I just point out that we don't really want Stonewall to distance itself from Mermaids? We don't want them to try to to scapegoat Mermaids for the entire transitioning-of-minors shitshow.

Stonewall have been every bit as involved as Mermaids, and they are more culpable. Their mission was supposed to be to help LBG people when, in fact, they have been enthusiastically pushing the ultimate in homophobia: telling gay kids that they are born in the wrong body and need drugs or surgery to fix themselves. I want to see them own what they have done, not try to slide out the Fire Exit now, before the full scandal hits.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 13/08/2020 12:11

[quote Tatatan]Am I missing something, I see ScrimpshawTheSecond Wed 12-Aug says "Seems Stonewall used to direct young people to Mermaids. But the link has been removed from the page?:" Er well, not when I looked just now at www.stonewall.org.uk/help-advice/coming-out/coming-out-young-persons[/quote]
They tweeted this AM that they had just added that

MrsNoah2020 · 13/08/2020 12:09

@Helmetbymidnight

jolyon is there affirming his support for mermaids over many years. Hmm
LOL - I trust the 1 remaining woman on Twitter he hasn't blocked has a screen shot.
Tatatan · 13/08/2020 12:08

Am I missing something, I see ScrimpshawTheSecond Wed 12-Aug says "Seems Stonewall used to direct young people to Mermaids. But the link has been removed from the page?:" Er well, not when I looked just now at www.stonewall.org.uk/help-advice/coming-out/coming-out-young-persons

SerenityNowwwww · 13/08/2020 10:57

I guess the bat signal went out last bight.

SerenityNowwwww · 13/08/2020 10:57

But he is a bit... well.

Helmetbymidnight · 13/08/2020 10:55

jolyon is there affirming his support for mermaids over many years. Hmm

SerenityNowwwww · 13/08/2020 10:41

I’ve had a lot at the stonewall tweet - the people supporting it definitely seem a bit lacklustre and their arguments are so 2019 (so you want dead kids???). Almost as if some wind had gone out of their sails...

highame · 13/08/2020 10:20

It didn't make sense for Stonewall to withdraw support, however, the others are a different kettle of fish, unless they're all updated their websites at the same time

nauticant · 13/08/2020 10:15

Stonewall have strongly reaffirmed their support of Mermaids:

twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1293834612536496129

twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1293834613819879425

Siablue · 13/08/2020 09:57

.. be nothing at all.

Sorry I pressed post before I had finished typing.

Siablue · 13/08/2020 09:57

Is there actually anything going on or is this like all the times the Queen has died on Twitter. It could be something big or it could

Namechangetoavoidmra · 13/08/2020 09:55

Sorry haven’t read all the thread (and can’t remember the acronym)
But still lots of pages returned if you search stonewall site for “mermaids”, inc this endorsement: www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/media-statements/transphobic-rhetoric-concerning-young-people-toxic-and-damaging

“ Mermaids is a vital organisation that stands by the side of vulnerable young people and their parents, who are often unsure and uncertain of how to support their children”

Justhadathought · 13/08/2020 09:54

That is no longer the case, but I'm not sure we're on the cusp of some mighty revolution that will sweep Mermaids away. Unfortunately

Yes, revolutionary change or sudden collapse is not going to happen. This is going to take many years, even a couple of decades of step by step, bit by bit, for there to be a sea change. Detransitioners; court cases; and growing awareness of the many, and profound, implications of gender ideology.

Xanthangum · 13/08/2020 09:53

The bit I have failed to work out is what is in it for Pink News. Why did they have so much influence over Stonewall - calling them out over an awards ceremony ten years ago if I remember correctly,?

Xanthangum · 13/08/2020 09:50
  1. Susie Green's cult-like devotion to removing any accusations of her and her husband's kneejerk homophobia ... which led to her imposing transition on her own child.
  1. She does this by encouraging poor science and even worse clinicians (the Webberleys) and through this pseudo justification recruits other struggling parents to her religion.
  1. At the same time, the Gamers, Furries and MRAs are busy redefining 'trans' to further their own porn-addled ends. SG doesn't spot the danger.
  1. The big one - Ruth Hunt, faced with Stonewall losing power and influence - and funding - latches onto the T as the next battlefront of human rights, despite the fact that T attached to LGB doesn't actually make sense. L and G people can also be T, or not. Alphabet soup all over. But her naivety, unchecked by trustees and buoyed by young social justice acolytes kicks in with turbo-like force, capturing the civil service, some local authorities, political parties, the police, the Judiciary etc etc. To speak out is a crime.
  1. Some brave women 👏 took a mighty stand. Shouldn't have had to be so mighty, as they were basically just pointing out reality and biological fact. Such are the times we live in.
  1. The tide began to turn - thanks to the next wave of realists, led by JKR. CPS, councils schools guidance, BBC and crucially the NHS all start to question whether any of this is right. Journalists do a fab job of pointing out the shifting sands this tower of idiocy is built on.
  1. Stonewall now find themselves holding the ticking bomb.... and have chucked it back to Susie. They are setting Mermaids up as the cause of all the trouble, and hoping that not too much mud sticks when they (Mermaids) fall.
highame · 13/08/2020 09:05

It might just be the length of time it takes to remove support. JKR really brought the issue front and centre and it might just be this that has caused a re-think.

I still like the theory posited by @exwhyzed

Fair Cop are still peaking my interest. I think the Mermaids influencing the A level mag was just a stop gap