Kamala Harris

To be fair when Trump won Obama said:

I think there is a sobering process when you walk into the Oval Office. And I haven’t shared previously private conversations I've had with the President-elect. I will say that they have been cordial and, in some cases, have involved me making some pretty specific suggestions about how to ensure that regardless of our obvious deep disagreements about policy, maybe I can transmit some thoughts about maintaining the effectiveness, integrity, cohesion of the office, of various democratic institutions. And he has listened.

But that was before Charlottesville and suggesting injecting bleach and supporting Putin over the FBI and all the rest.

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I knew I'd get picked up on that as soon as I typed it.

But yes, you say to mah toe and I say to may toe!

They mainly care about whether they're still going to have a pay-cheque 6 months from now.
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But yes
analytical voters and pundits need to have Maslow in their heads every inch of the way
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs

People voted for Trump because they were angry that elitists in both parties sneering at them. A minority of these people are racist.

That might have been a reasonable argument in 2016.

It isn't so reasonable in 2020.

Now they may have been naive and misinformed to believe any of Trump's promises (in fact, they were both). But they weren't necessarily racist or insane - some of them were just ordinary people worried about their livelihoods. Of course a chunk of Trump's core voter base are racist and nuts. But not all of them.

And it's the ordinary people in the rust belt that Biden and Harris have to persuade. They don't care about TWAW and Chapter IX in sports scholarship allocation. They don't care about who's going to be on the supreme court in 4 years time. They mainly care about whether they're still going to have a pay-cheque 6 months from now.

I don't see any need to lie here and pretend that Trump supporters aren't racist or are sane.

This kind of comment is why Trump got elected.

People voted for Trump because they were angry that elitists in both parties sneering at them. A minority of these people are racist. About as many are “insane” as on the far left.

Floisme - so witty.

Not clear what your 'solutions' are. Biden and Harris have been chosen, and aren't about to be unchosen, no matter what a MN user of 7 years' standing, as you tell us, no less, may think on the matter.

So I'm not clear what purpose is served by griping over things you dislike about Biden. Or Harris. On this and other threads.

If you have a magic solution to win over Trump voters, you're keeping it very well hidden.

Floisme
Ashcroft has run out of money though

I'm afraid I must go, Listening. I have an election in Belize to work on.

Reel to reel tape recorders were wonderful things

Dianas
my GC beliefs versus... contraception no longer provided by my company health scheme, roll-back of Roe v Wade as soon as RBG pops her clogs, economy so seriously tanked I'm probably going to lose my job..
THIS
If Trump wins and RBG dies, Roe v Wade is toast

TWAW absolutely pales into insignificance against the day to day right to health of millions of women

Sadly that sounds a bit creepy in 2020. But our love was pure.

It was because Illya was waiting for me.

Though in all seriousness, I can't see the "Biden/Harris are to the US what Corbyn/McDonnell were to the UK" analogy at all.

Both have flaws, sure.

But on the one hand you have a narcissistic liar in the pocket of Putin, who is probably the only leader of a democratic nation to be handling Covid even worse than our government. On the other hand you have what, to me, look like a couple of mainstream democrats, albeit ones who have bought the TWAW schtick.

But if I were an American woman I would be thinking "my GC beliefs versus... contraception no longer provided by my company health scheme, roll-back of Roe v Wade as soon as RBG pops her clogs, economy so seriously tanked I'm probably going to lose my job..." I'd hold my nose and vote Democrat, while praying that I never needed a women-only homeless shelter and never ended up on a locked psych ward. Because the sheer number of women Republican policies will damage in a very direct and immediate way is greater than the number likely to be damaged by the Democrats.

From this side of the pond, I'm just praying we get rid of him because I think Biden is less likely to press the big red button after getting into a twitter flame war with someone (or simply because he mistook it for a coaster and put his cofeve cup on it).

There is no other version.
Illya was the first man I ever loved.

Sorry Annasgirl I missed your post

I choose to laugh about it because otherwise it's just too depressing for words.

I sometimes wonder if I'll see another left-ish government elected in my lifetime.

You must have done the advanced training then wejustdisagree?
Mine was watching The Man from UNCLE. Illya Kuryakin was my mentor.

Hi @Floisme and @wejustdisagree - I came on here to fulfil my quota. I too was accused of being a bot on the other Biden thread - really, is it any wonder the left keep losing?????

And all the while, women lose even more.

Bang to rights.

Nice to meet you Floisme. I’m a sleeper agent myself, and was only recently activated when a potted plant in the village was moved several inches to the left. My training consisted of binge watching The Americans.

Bang to rights. I joined Mumsnet 7 years ago and have been posting extensively on Feminism and Style and Beauty purely so I could work undercover and influence the 2020 US election.

If you don't diagnose the problem, how are you planning to solve it?
I agree with you on that actually. The trouble is, it seems to me that the Democrats are no closer to diagnosing the problem than they were in 2016.

Before this thread, and the other Presidential one, I actually thought the Democrats must surely have a pretty good chance of winning. But having seen the accusations and paranoia whenever anyone even questions the narrative, I'm afraid I'm fast revising that view.

As a poster said upthread, what's with the astroturfing?

This is a UK site. We're discussing the US election here, not changing it or voting in it.

If you want to change the results, you're posting on the wrong site, in the wrong country.

I don't see any need to lie here and pretend that Trump supporters aren't racist or are sane.

If you don't diagnose the problem, how are you planning to solve it?

As to what the Dems should do about it, they seem to have chosen, with Biden and Harris, a pair who seem as likely to be successful as any. Certainly better than the alternatives who stood.

Ha ha so that's the only reason I would post on here is it? Because I work for a US political party?

I'm posting because I'm interested in what's going on. And because I saw what piss poor arguments did to the Remain campaign and the UK left.

Crack on with the insults if you're not interested in winning back voters, fair enough. But I assume that's what the Democrats want to do. What they need to do. No?

I'm not trying to win back voters. I'm not suggesting that Biden use my post as a campaign advert.

I'm posting on a UK site, and I don't work for the Dems.

Who do you work for?

I cannot think of a better way of winning back voters than telling them they're either insane or racist.