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Mermaids are running the metaphorical shredders.

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ToriaPumpkin · 11/08/2020 20:25

Mermaids have updated their guidance om puberty blockers, now stating they are "believed" to be reversible.

twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1293260663742136322?s=19

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goose124 · 12/08/2020 00:05

belief and reality, not the same thing at all.

OhHolyJesus · 11/08/2020 23:42

But they know the internet is forever right? And archived...and changing it to be in line with current NHS advice doesn't mean much when previous advice was dished out with the claim they were reversible without that being backed up with any evidence of any kind.

None of that is erased with a "believed to be" dropped in.

GCAcademic · 11/08/2020 23:23

“Believed” in the same sense that one might believe a male person can be a woman? That kind of belief?

Therewillbetroubleahead · 11/08/2020 23:06

We also know it from their use to treat endometriosis. Which is limited to one 6-month period (and that is in women who do not have developing bodies)

SheWhoMustNotBeHeard · 11/08/2020 23:03

(Don't know where the extra one came from in the previous post)

Therewillbetroubleahead · 11/08/2020 23:02

@VirginiaComet

If puberty blockers are irreversible wouldn't we know that from their use to treat precocious puberty?
We do know.
SheWhoMustNotBeHeard · 11/08/2020 23:01

They are following the current guidelines and covering their backs. GIDS are the ones who are assuring everyone one that it is reversible.

Beamur · 11/08/2020 22:58

My understanding is that for precocious puberty blockers are used to delay puberty but are stopped to enable a child to go through puberty at a more appropriate time - i.e the same as their peers. But with dysphoria the desired outcome is suppression at the point of 'normal' puberty.

Roswellconspiracy · 11/08/2020 22:55

So firced to change guidence but manage to do so in a way that still lays responsibility at someone else's door?

They really have no shame do they

PearPickingPorky · 11/08/2020 22:55

@VirginiaComet

If puberty blockers are irreversible wouldn't we know that from their use to treat precocious puberty?
Very different using them for 2 years from ages 7 or 8 in precocious puberty, than using them from eg 11 to 17 (when bones are growing, etc). The effects of the latter has never been studied, no children have taken them that long then stopped to see what happens. This (GIDS treatment protocol) is an experiment and the results so far look terrible.
Plumnora · 11/08/2020 22:48

Yes, I agree. We are facing a lost generation of young adults who want to de trans but have irreversible, long term side effects. I’ve long believed Susie Green to be a megalomaniac- you only have to watch the way she comes across in interviews- and I hope people start to realise sooner rather than later.

FloralBunting · 11/08/2020 22:48

@VirginiaComet

If puberty blockers are irreversible wouldn't we know that from their use to treat precocious puberty?
Yeah, perhaps from something like class action lawsuit due to the long term physical effects, you mean?
SheWhoMustNotBeHeard · 11/08/2020 22:34

@Winesalot

They really had no choice but to change their advice. Surely it should read ‘there is no or little evidence that it is reversible’.

This seems to be open to interpretation. It does seem like a court case waiting to happen.

NHS website says

Little is known about the long-term side effects of hormone or puberty blockers in children with gender dysphoria.
Although the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) advises this is a physically reversible treatment if stopped, it is not known what the psychological effects may be.

Then it lists other side effects. What I found interesting is that NHS is laying the responsibility wholly on GIDS service with the "GIDS advises" sentence. Does that mean the GIDS service is outsourced to Tavistock? Earlier today I had a look to see what the GIDS service was saying about puberty blockers but I couldn't get to grips with the website and had to give up.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/treatment/

Binterested · 11/08/2020 22:22

I suspect they gave the NHS the line that they were reversible in the first place.

VirginiaComet · 11/08/2020 22:22

If puberty blockers are irreversible wouldn't we know that from their use to treat precocious puberty?

Winesalot · 11/08/2020 22:17

Yes. My take is this is a half arsed change that has obviously been forced this far. I cannot believe that it will protect them surely? If the NHS states a more definite claim of Not reversible.

FloralBunting · 11/08/2020 22:14

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Mermaids are running the metaphorical shredders.
CaveMum · 11/08/2020 22:07

Very interesting

Xanthangum · 11/08/2020 22:03

This is good news but if investigate/sued can’t they just say they were following the NHS advice?

Isn't that the point, that if the NHS advice is that they aren't reversible, and long-term repercussions are unknown... Mermaids have no superior medical expertise or experience. So are being irresponsible by not reflecting the change. But they hate having to do this. Hence 'believed to be.

Siablue · 11/08/2020 21:46

It sounds like they know they need to change their text on puberty blockers but really didn’t want to. They are still in massive denial.

LizzieSiddal · 11/08/2020 21:45

This is good news but if investigate/sued can’t they just say they were following the NHS advice?

Annasgirl · 11/08/2020 21:42

I would contribute to a crowd funding effort for this legal case when it comes about.

NearlyGranny · 11/08/2020 21:40

'Believed to be' is like the Trump-talk 'People are saying...' Waffly, meaningless and dissolves if you look at it hard.

How do they sleep at night?

Winesalot · 11/08/2020 21:38

They really had no choice but to change their advice. Surely it should read ‘there is no or little evidence that it is reversible’.

This seems to be open to interpretation. It does seem like a court case waiting to happen.

Deliriumoftheendless · 11/08/2020 21:26

@Insertwitticismhere

Meemaids isn't far off the mark...
Memememaids maybe.