Mermaids are running the metaphorical shredders.

VirginiaComet
This is interesting thanks for taking the time

Can't take the credit really, I've had it bookmarked since someone else on Mumsnet shared it. I was so horrified that I saved it.

I think, for clarity, we should be clear that Lupron is used in the US. I believe it is a different drug here, but the same kind, if that makes sense. Important to dot the i's on this in case the zealots decide to quibble about specific brand names.

This is how Lupron is to be handled due to its toxicity

I remember seeing a YouTube clip with a transman talking about a syringe with 2 parts you have to mix together before use and requiring gloves to handle. It makes it really hit home why on earth you would take a healthy child's body and inject sometnung the toxic into it.

Do they have to stay off school for 2 days after? It wouldn't be safe to send them while they are still excretinf the drug surely?

[quote CallarMorvern]We do unfortunately know from treating precocious puberty.
www.statnews.com/2017/02/02/lupron-puberty-children-health-problems/[/quote]
This is interesting thanks for taking the time

According to the Lupron victims hub there have been class actions going back to 2003 and individual cases going back to 1994. This is a drug mired in controversy for decades and yet it appears that the NHS or possibly GIDS have taken instruction from a lobby group in its availability to adolescents.

Where is the sense of accountability? No wonder the Tavistock had so many people quit last year.

This is how Lupron is to be handled due to its toxicity:
"Leuprolide can pass into body fluids (urine, feces, vomit). For at least 48 hours after you receive a dose, avoid allowing your body fluids to come into contact with your hands or other surfaces. Caregivers should wear rubber gloves while cleaning up a patient's body fluids, handling contaminated trash or laundry or changing diapers. Wash hands before and after removing gloves. Wash soiled clothing and linens separately from other laundry."

www.lupronvictimshub.com/lawsuits.html For anyone who wants to read about the reported side effects or lawsuits that have been raised.

@Datun

It's GIDS advising NHS.

NHS website says

Little is known about the long-term side effects of hormone or puberty blockers in children with gender dysphoria.
Although the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) advises this is a physically reversible treatment if stopped, it is not known what the psychological effects may be.

(My bold)

I haven't read the Lupron article I posted in a while, but I think it only mentions girls/women, although I'm not sure if the side effects only happen in girls. Are only girls treated for precocious puberty? Or is this a other symptom of drug testing not properly encompassing the different biology of women?

I thought the NHS pages used to read as if they were written by mermaids or gires .

Thankfully, when it comes to a civil claim, if the NHS's defence was "we simply didn't know they were bad", that would not hold because the evidence was all there, they just chose not to look.

This is what happens when people with opinions are allowed to advise WPATH instead of sticking with evidence and research.

I will never understand why it has been acceptable for trans people to have less evidence supporting their treatment options than anyone else.

That's discrimination - doing real, measurable harm to people because you haven't bothered researching the facts.

The trans community are not an easy patient group, they are fully Dr Googled, usually self medicating and buoyed up by online support before they ever get to GID - patient groups like that are always going to be hard for medics to manage.

Has it been easier just to give them what they want and worry later if it isn't quite "first do no harm?"

Mermaids board is full of people with opinions and no training. Lived experience and patient experts are very important in healthcare - but they are not a substitute for peer reviewed research.

How come we know all about it, but the NHS, GIDS and mermaids don't?

I mean, this board has been talking, for the best part of five years, about the known side effects of puberty blockers.

We've seen calls for class actions in the US, for years.

A mumsnetter has talked extensively about her life being ruined by puberty blockers.

The first time I heard of Lupron, before I was even aware it was used on gnc kids, was hearing about girls and women reporting dreadful side effects after taking it to deal with precocious puberty. These are women who took it for no more than a year, imagine the consequences for those taking it for their whole teenage life.

The awful impacts on bone density and mental health have been long documented, even if the manufacturers have tried to dispute it. What does this mean for NHS culpability and liability?

How the hell have we got to a place where serious drugs with crippling side effects and unknown future outcomes are given out to confused children as an alternative to therapy?

So who is it who is responsible for saying that they are reversible?

Who advised the NHS? Was it Mermaids? And if so who advised them? GIDS? Where did they get their information?

The Newsnight documentary implied that the Tavistock was coming under pressure from trans lobby groups. Does that translate to misinformation about puberty blockers?

Where has the buck actually stopped?

[quote CallarMorvern]We do unfortunately know from treating precocious puberty.
www.statnews.com/2017/02/02/lupron-puberty-children-health-problems/[/quote]
wow! 20,000 adverse event reports in 10 yrs - patients suffering from deadly seizures, crumbling bones in their 20s, teeth falling out - an inability to walk in some cases!! The health of the girl featured is absolutely ruined and she took it for precocious puberty, stopped at age 12 and progressed with puberty.

The studies that have been carried out are extremely limited and deeply flawed with one doctor describing it as 'a free for all'. This has got to be bigger than thalidomide, not least because the organisations involved should have learnt lessons that should have prevented anything like it happening again. Sadly, we are sleepwalking towards an even bigger nightmare.

The language around the use of cross-sex hormones, too, labelling their use HRT, to make it sound like the boon this has been to some women in their menopause and post-monopause. But if the hormones are cross-sex, they're not replacing something that was once there, it's introducing something new.

(I know we all have all the hormones, some in very limited amounts depending on our sex, but the level and balance are unprecedented with cross-sex treatment.)

Sorry, GIDS are advising that they are reversible.

Is GIDS actually still saying they're reversible? Someone needs to document all of this carefully. There are teenagers out there who are going to need evidence for their court cases in a few years when they realize what was done to them.

I was looking for this and what they now said.

I also noticed they've put the equality act on their site, under a "we don't necessarily endorse the following links but here's some further reading" section.

I also need to watch the video by a teacher on there...

We do unfortunately know from treating precocious puberty.
www.statnews.com/2017/02/02/lupron-puberty-children-health-problems/