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Being "empowered" by Emma Watson

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DialSquare · 11/08/2020 12:15

This has been mentioned in AIBU on an older thread about Emma Watson's Feminism but I thought it would be worth posting here too. There's some good responses.

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FloralBunting · 12/08/2020 23:07

@Lamahaha

There's an Emma Watson thread on AIBU and *@Mumoftwoyoungkids* (who is not on this thread) gave for me the definitive reply to whether EW is a feminist:

"I don’t think it matters whether Emma Watson is a feminist or not - what matters is this:-

She has a friend, someone who has had a massive positive impact on her life and who has helped her, supported her and cared for her for decades. Her friend has never said anything negative about her public ally and huge amounts positive.

Three things are now clear:-

  1. Her friend has a different opinion to her on a very political issue
  2. Her friend has revealed that she has faced domestic abuse and sexual assault in her past.
  3. Her friend has received a huge number of death, violence and rape threats.

EW (along with DR, ER and quite a few others) have chosen to comment publicly on (1) whilst ignoring (2) and (3).

Never mind feminist - this makes them really quite awful people. And we should remember this."

Says is all, methinks. It's the disloyalty of all of them that is most disturbing. They can't help their opinions on TWAW, it's the standard millennial thing. But the disloyalty.
If I was that disloyal to a friend, one who had helped me so very much, my conscience would be killing me.

Excellent comment.
TitianaTitsling · 12/08/2020 23:00

@twoHopes

I have a dream that women of this nation will one day rise up and wear flats one day and heels the next
But how will a delicate, glittery pink brain know if it's a heel or flat day?! Oh what a decision! Odfod EW and your simpery, male focused agenda! HeForShe? Ha! SheForWhoeverSheIsTold more likely!
EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire · 12/08/2020 22:04

I'm glad I now know I don't have to run for prime minister Smile

DialSquare · 12/08/2020 21:50

Dismissal = dismissive

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DialSquare · 12/08/2020 21:41

That's what I can't get past Lamahaha.

The way they felt they had to get involved and in such a dismissal type of way. As if they are the authority on the matter. They're not fit to wipe JKR's boots.

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Lamahaha · 12/08/2020 20:27

There's an Emma Watson thread on AIBU and @Mumoftwoyoungkids (who is not on this thread) gave for me the definitive reply to whether EW is a feminist:

"I don’t think it matters whether Emma Watson is a feminist or not - what matters is this:-

She has a friend, someone who has had a massive positive impact on her life and who has helped her, supported her and cared for her for decades. Her friend has never said anything negative about her public ally and huge amounts positive.

Three things are now clear:-

  1. Her friend has a different opinion to her on a very political issue
  2. Her friend has revealed that she has faced domestic abuse and sexual assault in her past.
  3. Her friend has received a huge number of death, violence and rape threats.

EW (along with DR, ER and quite a few others) have chosen to comment publicly on (1) whilst ignoring (2) and (3).

Never mind feminist - this makes them really quite awful people. And we should remember this."

Says is all, methinks. It's the disloyalty of all of them that is most disturbing. They can't help their opinions on TWAW, it's the standard millennial thing. But the disloyalty.
If I was that disloyal to a friend, one who had helped me so very much, my conscience would be killing me.

Kantastic · 12/08/2020 12:23

This tweet made me realise I have been massively overestimating her intelligence because she played Hermione! Blush

But imagine Hermione Granger writing... that. The subconscious illusion has been completely exploded.

SheWhoMustNotBeHeard · 12/08/2020 12:11

@twoHopes

I have a dream that women of this nation will one day rise up and wear flats one day and heels the next
😁
thinkingaboutLangCleg · 12/08/2020 11:58

If you want to run for Prime Minister, you can.

No you can’t. As many here have pointed out, factual error caused by ignorantly cutting and pasting from a US document.

Emma, please don’t try to speak for women. You would be an embarrassment if anyone was listening

GennyCrabby · 12/08/2020 11:47

That... sounds like something young feminist me would have said 20 years ago, when the world was a different place.

I'm pleased the first comment i read was GC, and there are very few who are with her.

I wonder if the women's organisation who posted that tweet know what a woman is Hmm

feelingverylazytoday · 12/08/2020 10:07

Has she not noticed that hardly anyone wears high heels now? Something that's happened organically over the last few years. Just like we stopped wearing corsets and girdles. No body needed the permission of feminists, we just want to be comfortable.

acatcalledjohn · 12/08/2020 08:35

@Wavescrashingonthebeach

Dear god that was patronising. Smug twat.

Emma Twatson.

We know she only cares about women willing to accept a cock and balls as female, so her (rather dim) comments are meaningless.

Running for PM, FFS. I despair.

twoHopes · 12/08/2020 08:07

I have a dream that women of this nation will one day rise up and wear flats one day and heels the next

ErrolTheDragon · 12/08/2020 08:04

Shave your armpits, don’t shave them, wear flats one day, heels the next

It might at least have been slightly less banal and pointless if she'd been directing those comments at men.

seadreaming2020 · 12/08/2020 07:57

What an idiot.

This is akin to “ let them eat cake” in her inability to grasp the real issues that normal women face. She is also telling us who she is, which is helpful.

NearlyGranny · 12/08/2020 07:22

Eurgh, the nature and level of the comments on that site! Off to wash my eyes and try to forget...

Madanaa · 12/08/2020 01:27

Its a fluffy statement. I feel like if you're going to call for female empowerment with a platform as big as Watson's she should be the driving force behind campaigns to end policies which disadvantage women.

You should also be able to define woman by something other than 'someone who feels like a woman' too....

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 12/08/2020 01:20

Dear god that was patronising. Smug twat.

FloralBunting · 12/08/2020 01:17

Yeah, why does that never happen? Why do these glossied-up celebrity feminists always zero in on the torments of armpit hair or the height of heels, or, if they have slightly more about them, negative body image due to their industry promoting certain mendacious visuals? Why is it always vacuous grandstanding?

I remember the short film Kiera Knightley did about DV, and it was really very good. But I can't think of many things like it. Speechifying at the UN on podiums and posting filtered pictures on Insta isn't powerful and I'm so bored that anyone is pretending otherwise.

StrangeLookingParasite · 12/08/2020 01:11

@NearlyGranny

She wants to empower us to 'run for prime minister'? She'll need to put a different electoral system in place first, then, won't she?

Lifted from some US document and tweaked, if I'm not mistaken. Fallen at the first hurdle.

Yes, I thought that as well.
DidoLamenting · 12/08/2020 01:08

If she gave a shit about women and feminism she’d be using her profile to do something like stand outside Leeds Civic Hall, shouting about the managed zone of paid rape with impunity

Oh absolutely. Your comment illuminates for me what I found so irritating about the "running for Prime Minister" comment.

DidoLamenting · 12/08/2020 01:06

I find the "running for Prime Minister" comment really fatuous and irritating.

The population of the UK is 66 million. Almost everyone one who is entitled to vote in the UK could, in theory, "run for Prime Minister"

In my lifetime 12 people have been Prime Ministers -2 of them female. 2 out of 12 isn't great but it's not terrible and is improved if you add in the female First Ministers of the devolved regions.

I'm sure there will be future female PMs and FMs but most people do not want to be and never will have the slightest chance of being the PM.

Durgasarrow · 12/08/2020 00:54

I was shaking my head when that dim bulb went on about shaving armpits and the shoes. I think she must believe that this is what being a F%$()@%( woman is. Don't we gals just love shaving our armpits and wearing goddamned shoes. It's so BONDING. That, and running for prime minister. OR NOT! See, we ladies have SO MUCH IN COMMON. How could anyone doubt that TWAW when we can all wear flats and shave our armpits????

TheHeartbeat · 12/08/2020 00:47

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