NHS Lanarkshire new policy on Transgender Employees ignores female staff's rights

Really all the trans activist groups were asking for with the GRA was a changed birth certificate and legal status for tax, pension purposes etc.

so presumably now that pensionable age is the same and the NI number needs to stay the same to keep the record of pension contributions to ensure full pension payments.

I hope that men and women pay the same rate of tax so that won't make a practical difference - it is just a question of should it be possible to change a birth cert at all as it is a record of the name and sex of the person as they were at that time.

The original birth certificates of adopted children are not changed (only annotated and then a new short Adoption certificate issued if required). Is the same system workable for trans people?

Maybe it’s a talent thing...

Compare Boy George, Marilyn etc with Sam Smith. those were the days Samphire - those guys were fabulous and beautiful (and a friend of mine knows ACTUAL Marilyn - I was so excited to find out). Punks, Adam and the Ants. In those days - a bit of lippy and a flouncy shirt and bingo! Living your best life (male or female).

As girls we had spiky hair and bovver boots for a while, then a bit of lacy Madonna-esque and a rather dodgy bleached fringe phase but it was fun, temporary and didn't involve analysing our innermost selves (still got no idea there) or surgery (apart from the odd cheeky tattoo and piercing). Life wasn't always straightforward (when is it?) but it seems like we had much more freedom of expression.

My teenagers are very aware (from their peers) of 'acceptable think' which seems unbelievably constricting - I feel like it was the opposite for 80s teenagers.

... on said law somewhat stereotypical, follwoing an very old saw! Give them an inch and all that!

Thanks Charlie. I was coming back to that now I have walked the dog. The baldly incorrect assertion irritated me and I wanted to point out that, as you say, the UK is actually already further forward and organised in a way that is used as a best practice case in law/government.

Which makes the TRA assault

rigid gender based stereotypes are now worse than they were when I was a kid. You're not kidding.

Compare Boy George, Marilyn etc with Sam Smith.

The former just lived it the latter spent days crying into the SM heavens asking for some kind of divine intervention for what? Permission?

Most of the free world allows legal sex change.

It does not. Currently less than a quarter of countries in the world allow transsexuals to legally change sex. Many of those still make it a pre-requisite for transsexuals to be sterilized and/or post-op before allowing this.

The UK currently has a system in place that is considered best international practice, in allowing a legal sex change but requiring a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria. That this is in line with best practice is evident from the 2017 European Court of Human Rights ruling in AP, Garçon and Nicot v France, which found that requiring a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria before allowing a legal sex change is not a human rights violation against those who identify as trans, but an appropriate and entirely legitimate safeguard against abuse of the system.

A scant dozen countries allow someone to legally change sex via a self-declaration, but some of those countries, like the Republic of Ireland for instance, have other laws in place that restrict what this means in practice.

Fact: Sex is a biological state, gender a societal/psychological one.

IMO and IME rigid gender based stereotypes are now worse than they were when I was a kid.

We don't need laws like the GRA, we need laws that encourage tolerance towards all and penalised discrimination on the grounds of sex or gender or colour or ethnicity or religion or whatever.
And guess what, there ARE laws like that already.

I firmly believe the GRA will be repealed, it is bad law that clearly affects womens and girls safety. A truly progressive society should be fully accepting of feminine men and masculine women. Not funnelling them towards unnecessary surgeries and medical procedures.

Most of the free world allows legal sex change. The UK is not going backwards.

I'd be interested to know why you think acknowledging that sex exists and is immutable, whilst putting in place legislation which forbids discrimination, harassment etc of people who don't conform to rigid and regressive sex-role stereotypes is 'going backwards'.

Remember that the GRA was brought in largely to avoid legislation that would allow same-sex marriage, and in order that fullly transitioned transsexuals could go under the radar and so avoid being harassed or discriminated against for being transsexual. There was nothing enlightened or progressive about it.

Repealing the GRA on the other hand would show that we are a truly progressive nation which accepts everyone as they are and doesn't have an expectation that people should conform to rigid and regressive gender norms.

Well! That was a read! Not really sure what the hell much of it means in the real world....

Most of the free world allows legal sex change. The UK is not going backwards

Repealing the GRA would be going forwards not backwards. Forwards towards treating women as fully equal members of society.

And yes, repeal the GRA. It should never have been made legally possible to falsify your identity documents and lie about your sex.

Lots of things are "impossible to police". It's impossible to stop all crime, for instance. But it doesn't mean that we shouldn't even try to stop crime. A hospital is one of the things which can fairly easily be dealt with on a sex basis.

The single sex exemptions are not compulsory. Just an option to achieve a legitimate aim. And impossible to police.

You're making a very good case for repeal of the GRA. If the GRA means that some men can legally be women, and therefore it is impossible to have a genuinely female-only space, then the GRA should go.

Interesting. Lanarkshire NHS document says they assign a sex at birth. I imagine if you can say 'No, you're wrong. It is a boy and not a girl' and get a birth certificate in the chosen sex. If it is not real biological sex any more.
I wonder if you could sue them if they get it wrong. You spend years bring your child up as a girl as that was what they were assigned at the hospital. Then your daughter suddenly announces she's a boy. The bloody doctors/midwifes got it wrong!

Just don’t tick box.

I am not a tick. I am a free woman.

I am refusing to tick any kind of box on forms asking for my sex is the question is 'What sex were you assigned at birth?' - I was not assigned anything, I was a human female infant aka a girl. I am now an adult human female aka a woman.

Snort at Sorting Hat though

I reserve the right to think all sorts of thoughts about all sorts of people, including those who came up with this document. And those who signed off on it. Fecking woke culture.

Examples of discrimination: Not being addressed, or thought of, as belonging to their gender or not having their new name used.

thought of

FUCK RIGHT OFF.

Rediculous, they don't assign a gender at birth, but observe the biological sex. If it's saying they assign a sex that's worrying for an NHS document, you would hope they understood biological reality and their processes.