NHS Lanarkshire new policy on Transgender Employees ignores female staff's rights

That is great work!!!

[quote Aesopfable]Look what I just spotted: www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/midwiferyobstetrics#incoming-1623913[/quote]
Brilliant!

Haha - looking forward to the reply to that FOI request.

Look what I just spotted: www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/midwiferyobstetrics#incoming-1623913

I think we need to write to elected members and maybe ask them to ask Cab Sec for Health what the diagnostic tests are for gender in a new born. I assume from NHS Lanarkshire et al that NHS thinks gender is innate, so what’s the test? What is the test for femininity/masculinity in newborn? (Or is NHS using gender as shorthand for gender identity in which case there are hundreds of them in which case, well, wow. Take some time to figure out your aromantic from your polygender baby). Can NHS be sued if they incorrectly assign gender? If baby is assigned feminine then turns out they self id as masculine when they’re 13?
This is how it works isn’t it?

Maybe those few with entailed estates etc can have their child(ten) in Lanarkshire NHS area. Then they can let their biological girl (is there any other kind?) identify her way out of the piece of direct discrimination against females in the 'Equality' Act which bars her from inheritance on an equal footing to males.

Don't be silly! It is not about chromosomes or sex characteristics. If you can say male characteristics = woman, then of course female characteristics = boy. If it cannot be defined biologically, then a certain look, whinge, fist pump or demeanour can be interpreted. NHS Lanarkshire would be bigots to argue against a parental deciphering of their child's gender identity. Which is now a synonym for what ever sex you're having yourself.

'Oh! Let us never, never doubt
What nobody is sure about' (Hilaire Belloc)

Great for parents who want a particular sex.
Have 5 boys already? No problem just ask them to assign girl to the next one

Can they explain exactly how they assign sex at birth birth?

Does it ever not match the babies biology or does the midwife ever - In seriousness or just for a laugh - say ‘oh the baby’s here - ten fingers, ten toes, penis... ITS A GIRL!!!’.

Interesting. Lanarkshire NHS document says they assign a sex at birth

I wonder what the scans are like. A bit weird I imagine.

Kay Sandilands, director of human resources, said: “NHS Lanarkshire recognises that trans people are entitled to fair and equal access to all NHS services, including as an employer.

If you read her response it basically says 'we're not changing anything'. Perhaps her view will change if suddenly there is a legal challenge, after all, we tax payers will not want to fund their legal costs and I for one would be asking these people who have overstepped the mark to pay their own bloody costs

Well the police aren’t exactly going to do that are they? They are very well ‘educated’. Who is approving all this?

I still can't believe that government organisations are putting in place illegal policies and no one in charge has the backbone to set them straight.

Interesting. Lanarkshire NHS document says they assign a sex at birth. I imagine if you can say 'No, you're wrong. It is a boy and not a girl' and get a birth certificate in the chosen sex. If it is not real biological sex any more

I wonder how long before woke parents will demand the right to have some say into what "gender" is assigned to their child at birth. I mean considering the midwife is basically just guessing, why shouldn't the parents have some input into the decision.

And I agree, what a terribly ill throught through allocation of resources - particularly in these times of crisis

As a HCP working in Lanarkshire I would love to know who to address a robust comment to?
I have no desire to comment on the DailyFail, much as that article is not terrible. Other than not really getting the whole issue.

I notice 'trans' was capitalised throughout the document.

Anyway, no doubt the HR department is currently groaning under the heft of having to deal with all those trans employees jumping around deepest, darkest Lanarkshire. What a great use of resource.

Would there be an increased risk of infection control problems if women avoided a changing room and changed elsewhere? I am assuming that would be the main reason why people don't get dressed in their uniforms/scrubs at home in the first place, though I could be wrong!

Yes I noticed the lack of comments apart from one not really relevant one from someone in California.

Perhaps in this case the journo not being familiar with the issues helped because I was surprised your cocks/dicks comment made it in there.

The article was actually laid out in a quite straight forward way and quoted a lot of women which was quite refreshing.

Ha. I am not from London and I am pretty sure I said 'dicks' not 'cocks' but yes, it was not a bad article.

Amazingly so since the journalist who spoke to me clearly did not understand the issues AT ALL and asked me in sad voice 'but why don't women want transwomen in their spaces?'

I had to explain that 80-90% of transwomen have made no modifications whatsoever to their bodies and that women who have had to grow up with men waving their dicks at them on public transport, from the bushes in parks etc etc etc would like a space without a penis in it.

I also note with interest that the article has only 1 comment. I can't for a moment imagine that people don't want to comment so it seems odd to publish an article like that and then stick all comments in moderation.

The Daily Mail posted an article yesterday about this policy. It's quite good and doesn't pull any punches in reporting what women think of it and the fact the female staff were not consulted.

@Spero (Barrister, Sarah Phillimore) was quoted quite bit in the article

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8627417/Lanarkshire-NHS-board-blasted-unlawful-policy-transitioning-workers.html

sorry compounded the derail with my previous post.

I really am horrified that an employer can do this to staff with no consultation or consideration. Privacy while changing, especially into something like scrubs which often seem to be worn over undies is basic. I had to use a mixed sex communal changing room at a posh spa - I hated it, the poor bloke in a crowded room of women hated it - I won't be going again.

Hopefully if enough staff protest together to NHS Lanarkshire it can be changed back?