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Jameela and Josie backing away

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gardenbird48 · 10/08/2020 21:06

I’ve checked as much as I can and apparently Jameela Jamil and Josie Long (I’m not sure who she is but lots of followers) have deleted their tweets supporting Mermaids. Jameela also seems to have removed her unpleasant tweet(s) to JK Roeling (I don’t think I’ve missed them on the searches) An interesting development.

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Needmoresleep · 11/08/2020 11:45

I think Jameela's background does matter. She went to an extremely exclusive girls private school in central London. (Posh exclusive, rather than academically selective.)

There is something about the privileged lecturing us ordinary plebs about acceptance etc, when we know full well they are never to end up sharing a prison cell or a women's refuge with a self identifying transwoman.

SerenityNowwwww · 11/08/2020 11:40

So she’s not an actual feminist then?

MrsJamin · 11/08/2020 11:35

Deborah Frances-White is a comedian who runs the guilty feminist podcast, which has been running for a good few years and has many notable and/or famous women speakers, and also some men who think they have lady brains, which was totally acceptable to her. The cognitive dissonance is shocking. She has trans friends and so can't even think about the likelihood of being wrong. However... she is.

bishopgiggles · 11/08/2020 11:19

I've mentioned before, I used to be big fan of Josie Long (she was a sort of scrappy indie comedian but has had lots of success in London etc), had supported her (going to all her shows etc) since very early on. Friends of friends are in her 'circle' etc. She had a great mix of childish humour with trying to genuinely be nice, promote mental health etc. Kids came along so I lost touch. Last time I went to one of her gigs Grace Petrie was supporting and no offence to Grace as a person but I find her music absolutely dire and I felt claustrophobic having to listen to it when I'd come to watch a comedy gig.

Anyway I was obviously disappointed to see how anti-women she'd become, or at least very uncritical with her trying to 'include' everyone. Surely any org such as Mermaids set up to work with extremely vulnerable children needs to be held to the highest standards so it's a bit gross to dismiss all criticism of how they operate (may I remind you, one of Mermaids took a trans woman to court to sue them, and it was thrown out, and the Mermaids person did not come off as particularly kind, inclusive or supportive with her comments) as bigoted.

So, now, I'm very interested as to whether she's changed her stance on Mermaids, and if so, why.

Jameela's on another level though!
I found it hilarious in that tweet in Kantastic's post she responds to Danielle Muscato's assertion that "If you think I am less of a woman because I don't fit your mental picture of what a woman "should" looks like you're a bigot"(paraphrased) with "Danielle is a woman, and this is a very old photo of her by the way... she looks nothing like this."

Facepalm because Danielle's whole point is it doesn't matter what Danielle looks like, yet Jameela's desperate to focus on exactly that!

SunsetBeetch · 11/08/2020 11:15

Suicide hyperbole ahoy.

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SunsetBeetch · 11/08/2020 11:14

I tried to archive the Mermaids feature on iweigh, but it's covered up by that pop-up note you get when you first visit the site. Here are some screenshots

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Jameela and Josie backing away
Jameela and Josie backing away
SerenityNowwwww · 11/08/2020 10:56

Who is she (too hot and lazy to duckduckgo her).

MrsJamin · 11/08/2020 10:54

Deborah Frances-White has definitely lived up to her "Guilty Feminist" name. I couldn't listen to that podcast after they went all TWAW, it negated anything good or funny that they said.

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SerenityNowwwww · 11/08/2020 10:42

I always for the impression she was more ‘girls need to not be bullied by the beauty industry - take ME for example, I’m gorgeous, tall, fabulous...’.

However she backs people changing their bodies with medication and surgery though doesn’t she - if they feel that they are in the ‘wrong’ body - so how does she square that particular circle?

fatblackcatspaw · 11/08/2020 10:40

oh Shortcuts thats currently running second after The Listening Project in my most hated radio programme category. Third is You and Yours legazised moaning....

moptophairshop · 11/08/2020 10:38

Yes, Jameela created iweigh. She's done a lot to fight the unhealthy diet drinks industry and the harm they do to women and girls. Despite her concerns however, she tore shreds out of Abigail Shrier for using her 'privilege' in such a bigoted way when she spoke to Joe Rogan and published Irreversible Damage. She has no qualms at all about the damage being done by an affirmation only approach that can involve drugs which cause lifelong problems Confused I guess she's just selecting which girls to worry about- and ignoring any that compromise her gender ideologies.

gardenbird48 · 11/08/2020 10:36

Yikes!! I've just noticed that I did a typo in JK Rowling's name in the original post! A thousand apologies - I am usually so good at proof reading Shock .

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diplodocusinermine · 11/08/2020 10:36

I got annoyed with Josie Long when she 'presented' a radio programme called 'Shortcuts' in her breathy, be kind voice. The programme absolutely epitomised 'Woke' - all style over substance and very few of the contributors had anythng real to say. There was also rather an over representation of trans voices.

gardenbird48 · 11/08/2020 10:33

on the plus side, yesterday Jameela promoted a petition against Somalian women and girls losing their rights of protection against sexual offences without any comment on the 'non-inclusive' language being used to refer to the women and girls. Progress?
I found the 'I spoke to a real doctor' video though - it is still up. Jameela seemed to do most of the talking though.

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MrsJamin · 11/08/2020 10:29

Jameela Jamil created and runs iweigh, @SerenityNowwwww! Grin

Deliriumoftheendless · 11/08/2020 10:20

I feel a bit sorry for Josie Long.

I used to listen to Book Shambles with her and Robin Ince, but it grates on me as for all she likes to aspire to being a vocal feminist and he likes to make himself out to be such a supporter of women there was a clear difference when he spoke to (or over) JL than when he chatted with male guests. And JL seemed to accept this as if this was the natural order of things. It all felt a bit like “run, Josie! Get away while you can!”

Is have loved her to say “just shut up Robin and let me tell it”.

SerenityNowwwww · 11/08/2020 10:11

Who runs Iweigh?

SerenityNowwwww · 11/08/2020 10:10

Oooh you can have it! Never been quoted before (in a good way!)

MrsJamin · 11/08/2020 10:06

Full page on her iweigh website detailing Mermaids "great work". She's going to have to try harder to erase this stuff! Quick Google and it's all there. I'm not saying "be nice" I'm just saying we don't have to say a lot, just air the facts, as she's hung herself out to dry.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 11/08/2020 10:06

@SerenityNowwwww

They backed a sparkly horse. They are not stupid (or at least have access to people who are smart) or people who advise them. They also have a brain.
A very pithy phrase, indeed, Serenity...I shall borrow that, if you don't mind?
fatblackcatspaw · 11/08/2020 10:00

ooh that mermaids link is handy to identify the cimminal!

SerenityNowwwww · 11/08/2020 09:54

@fatblackcatspaw

I conclude I AM a mean girl... Josie Long's voice is enough to make me want her cancelled beathy little girlish I'm a lovely nice kind person voice no Feffin not! No forgiveness. And please if the Fringe comes back stay away from Edinburgh.
Oh yes - the Marilyn Monroe ikkle girls voice. I hear that more often these days (and not from girls - ikkle or otherwise).
SerenityNowwwww · 11/08/2020 09:54

@Redshoeblueshoe

Did I imagine it or have Harry and Meghan backed away from Mermaids too ?
I think the charity they were involved in did, didn’t it?
fatblackcatspaw · 11/08/2020 09:52

I conclude I AM a mean girl... Josie Long's voice is enough to make me want her cancelled beathy little girlish I'm a lovely nice kind person voice no Feffin not! No forgiveness. And please if the Fringe comes back stay away from Edinburgh.

Redshoeblueshoe · 11/08/2020 09:50

Did I imagine it or have Harry and Meghan backed away from Mermaids too ?

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