Jameela and Josie backing away

I tagged Kids Company soon after I became aware of them. The giggangooly approach, teary eyed approach, the attitude of them being ‘saviours’ just didn’t feel like they had a thought out, sensible, long term plan for their ‘customers’. It felt it was more about them feeling good about themselves for helping ‘poor waifs and strays’. I soon learned that to question them was like saying ‘I drown kittens for fun’.

I seem to remember the house of cards collapsed bloody quickly.

Oops seem to have posted too soon!

Was going to say Josie long on radio 4 when she does short cuts and appears on the infinite monkey cage. Uuuuurrrrgggh. Her "I'm so twee and lovable" thing has driven me insane for a long time but I really lost the plot when she started cropping up on radio 4. Her and Grace Dent, both present logic-free, over-emoting breathy right-on twaddle. I didn't know JL was a trans ally as I avoid her but of course it's no surprise. That kind of indie, girlie right-on-ness that is actually all about being a manic pixie dream girl to appeal to men, while not having a clue about actual pro-women feminism.

And yes I am a bitch but still, I'll support both Jameela and Josie if they start actually standing up for women.

I used to listen to Book Shambles with her and Robin Ince, but it grates on me as for all she likes to aspire to being a vocal feminist and he likes to make himself out to be such a supporter of women there was a clear difference when he spoke to (or over) JL than when he chatted with male guests. And JL seemed to accept this as if this was the natural order of things. It all felt a bit like “run, Josie! Get away while you can!”

OMG Josie long

Removing text is very 1984.

That was Winston's job!

(My memory is shit)

I wonder why they deleted them! That's odd...
Something is happening then!

At the moment I think the sparkly horse is slowing down around the Canal Turn

I love that metaphor.

Backed a sparkly horse ... and it fell at Valentine's Brook

You know I really hate identity politics and intersectionality. The idea that one group deserve more than another or are more oppressed than another. I hate there is no nuance in play. For example, because I am black/gay/etc my views are this, this and this. Any other views are not tolerated. There's no accounting for the very different lives that people within the groups all with their individual personalities, thoughts and feelings. They may share certain aspects of their lives but there's probably much more that they don't share.

@MrsJamin I totally agree and the lack of critical analysis is worryingly obvious when these intersectional arguments are put forward. I can see how it might be tempting for those who simply wish to be kind and inclusive but surely any level of consideration about what that line of argument actually does to support women and girls should be enough to at least pause for thought. Prominent figures like Jameela ( 1 million + followers) should be asking themselves before they put messages out there 'what does this message actually do to help the rights of women and girls?'

Also paws I am fantasising about neighbouricide too. I'm trying to work in the garden and some fucker is playing some kind of repetitive music a couple of doors down which is like having someone thump repeatedly on the side of my head, they must be trashing the peace for at least six households People are so damn selfish!

The lack of logical thinking is so annoying.

Men need to expand the bandwidth of what it is to be male. Women & girls aren’t collateral damage.

So they really believe that they could become a man? Do they??? Shouldn’t be let out alone really...

@moptophairshop I really enjoyed the podcasts, they were genuinely funny but I couldn't keep listening to her preaching her own brand of feminism when I knew she thought men could become women by saying they had ladybrain or the essence of a woman or however she thinks transwomen are women. I have no idea how women can say that including men as women is the same as including disabled or black women as women. It's disgusting that someone can get away with that as so-called intersectional feminism. Makes my blood boil.

No respect from me.

But I am a complete cowbag who holds a grudge. I am very very slow to anger but once someone has overstepped the line, that’s it. She could become a certified saint and I’d still only hold her in contempt.

I’m sure she’s devastated!

If jj does a public u turn she'll have my respect. Instead It'll be head in the sand

Josie was using her platform to promote Grace iirc (nothing wrong with that at all, she was an up-and-coming lesbian artist) so I'm assuming a fair level of shared views! Tbf Grace is right, transphobia is bullshit. I think the question is as to what constitutes transphobia.

That’s one dinner party I’d avoid like the plague. Can you imagine sitting around a table with that lot?

I bought her Guilty Feminist book early on in my feminist journey. Right near the start she says how important it is to believe TWAW because... 'inclusive' and 'intersectional' which just left me thinking 'but why?' You're not explaining yourself and yet expecting me to make this huge leap which conflicts with what I know to be true. Left me with more questions than answers and taught me to focus on feminists who actually centre women. Up until then I had assumed that's what all feminists do, but apparently not.

Yes, bishopgiggles Grace Petrie is another one. I wonder if she has some influence on Josie?