Jameela and Josie backing away

😂

Just a theory but could it have been the group themselves that asked the “deleters” to remove references to being born in the wrong body, to “clean up” (not that it worked, with the amount of screenshots and archives saved but it makes more sense to me than a secret group where they are privy to information first, especially since said group have done a 180 and claiming that was never said/meant)?

Well, there's clearly an outer circle!

Imagine being one of the allies, hearing yourself recite the mantra, wondering where all the other voices are and realising you're all alone now and the people you were allying yourself to are all looking smug because they've had notice to clean up their Twitter history and modify their utterances. Notice that you didn't get.

I suppose what I'm really curious about is how the "deleters" had so much advance warning and who warned them.

The rest of us only found out this week about the volte-face.

Is there an inner circle of nitwits?

I will have time, attention and a sympathetic ear (the left one) for family, friends and celebs, too, who are upfront and own their past opinions and abusive comments and express regret, but none for anyone who weasels around pretending it never happened and wasn't them and their words were misinterpreted and never harmed anyone anyway and their targets were just being oversensitive.

Looking at the HP actors who owe so much to JKR.

I think Josie was on a podcast with Owen Jones three days ago on whatthetrans, there was a break down on the state media twitter account. She hasn’t changed her opinions what so ever.

Ship. Sinking.... R.norvegicus.

Sorry to resurrect a "zombie" thread.

Do we now have the answer to OP's question?

And the answer is that Jameela Jamil et al were busy deleting any references to Mermaids but specifically any mention of BORN IN THE WRONG BODY?

If so they had really advanced warning about all this back in early August, didn't they? All a bit 1984 this removal of inconvenient slogans...

@SerenityNowwwww I hope she does back away and has a change of heart, she blocked me for linking to her thread an article about a 15 year old detranisitioner in america who had ha a double mastectomy but was later diagnosed with autism. So much for be kind.

It was so precious. Trousers are a statement and dresses make Sofie sick. How special and significant. In many countries, males wear a dress like garment.

And in Schitt's Creek, David (who took the ‘bride’ role) wore a gorgeous suit with a kilt when he married Patrick, so that’d blow some minds 🙄

I’m pretty sure while a kilt has a pretty name and is traditionally worn by men, it looks like a skirt to me.

So, Sofie feels a fraud using toilets for females. Does that mean Sofie uses the toilets for males now?

It was so precious. Trousers are a statement and dresses make Sofie sick. How special and significant. In many countries, males wear a dress like garment. In the past males all over the world have worn a dress like garment. It is just a bit of cloth. If Sofie uses it as a huge statement of not being a woman like other women, does this have to be applied to other women. I haven't worn a dress for a while. Is it ok for me to wear jeans and shorts without other implications? Or maybe it is just that Sofie is so much more special.

I mean this kindly: she appears to have a number of issues.

I recommend doing something else instead. For a comedian she is not remotely funny either

I’ve got as far as her being introduced, I haven’t decided whether to put myself through it or not!

I listen to the Fortunately podcast when I'm driving and I had to pull over to change to a new episode because they had Sofie on. God she's insufferable

Yeah sofie has some strong opinions alright. I read some conflicting things like sofie doesn't believe in "health at every size" apparently but everything else I've read about sofie's stance on health and obesity says the same thing. What world does sofie live in where you can decide not to be a woman and that you can decide to be fat and healthy? Does sofie also decide not to be held down by gravity too?

Wow. Just realised that this is the same Sofie Hagen eho actually has a thread on Kw Frs. Spoiler: it's not flattering.

Incidentally, I was thinking of starting a thread on "fat activism", but think it would probably turn into a bun fight.

Thanks humpty 👍

@greennugget really glad you came to be at peace with your sex.

You can message MN and ask, sometimes they’ll be helpful and actually tell you what was contentious, but not always. Don’t argue with the mods too much though, because that can lead to a strike.

@CheeryTreeBlossom - totally agree. 90% of what she says feels very familiar to me, and why I thought I was nonbinary for quite a while.

I hope she comes to a find something good and truthful about knowing you are female and being fairly at peace with that. I am much much happier now.

My first strike, for something pretty innocuous. Didn't get an email warning me from @mnhq, is that standard?

That link just she knows she's not a woman because wearing dresses makes her feel awful and trousers not? From someone who hosted "the guilty feminist" podcast? Surely that women can wear trousers all the time and still be women is feminism 101?

And the question about if she would be fine being a women if men could wear dresses? Lots of traditional outfits for men in many cultures involve "skirt" like pieces, kilts, lunghis etc.
There is a lot of internalised misogyny in that statement.

I too enjoyed the guilty feminist at first, but had to stop listening to it because everytime they discussed exercise they felt guilty about it and Sophie would shame Debra for daring to mention it because it was so fat phobic.
Exercise is proven to be important to mental as well as physical health and I hardly think DFW talking about a yoga class is fatshaming all the listeners. Making women feel guilty for self care just seems like another stick to beat them with, and well, not very feminist.
It morphed from a fun podcast discussing everyday-sexism type things and empowering to preachy and shaming.