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Are there any GC teachers here?

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VictoriaLucas102 · 10/08/2020 15:35

I used to be very active on edutwitter not as a teacher although I work in education. I decided in the end it was too risky to carry on tweeting as I would also occasionally tweet about GC feminist issues (which did once result in an anonymous complaint to my employer .. one example of my transphobia was an RIP dedication to Magdalene Burns 🙄).

I noticed Tom Bennett (the ‘behaviour tsar’ and a sometimes controversial character) has recently been tweeting stuff about the ‘cervix-shaver’ thing and in true edutwitter tribal style it’s split opinion with the more ‘traditional’ teachers adopting a critical response and the ‘progressives’ in the be kind’ camp.

I’m just feeling so fed up as yet again I am questioning myself and my (hatefully bigoted) beliefs, but on the other hand I’m so frustrated that people who I know are thoughtful and intelligent are just going along with it.

Is it just the twitter bubble? What’s the general feeling in schools?

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RadandMad · 12/08/2020 11:41

@VictoriaLucas102

*Cervix-haver not shaver 🥴
As someone who has had their cervix shaved, I'm not offended Wink
partystress · 12/08/2020 10:32

Awning10 the religion analogy is interesting. It makes sense from the perspective of respecting individuals’ rights to hold particular beliefs and striving to avoid offence.

But I can’t think of a faith that would require others to ‘embrace discomfort’ to accommodate its needs. And if a pupil was in a sect that advocated unnecessary surgery and taking drugs that have irreversible effects, would we really turn a blind eye and not regard it as a safeguarding issue?

Awning10 · 12/08/2020 09:29

Teachers may be atheists but that doesn't mean that they don't treat their religious students with respect. Same as with the trans kids in their schools.

VictoriaLucas102 · 12/08/2020 09:26

twitter.com/JPMasters/status/1293345820171890689?s=20

And child abusers. Do these people have reading comprehension difficulties?

I thought I’d really seen it all, but clearly not ...

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Xanthangum · 12/08/2020 09:03

Not just creepy - they are calling us Nazis.

twitter.com/capybarawins/status/1293316293014114306?s=20

Nazis. Teachers who disagree that a teenage boy who tries to get to change with the girls, well thats OK because he said the magic word Trans.

Yes thats definitely what the Nazis did.

VictoriaLucas102 · 12/08/2020 08:47

[quote EweSurname]Welshmoth these threads are being watched, and even though it may be naive, I’m glad that people are seeking out and reading different opinions even if their aim is to hunt for screenshots

mobile.twitter.com/mimmymum/status/1293312112547319808[/quote]
Oh my ... that’s creepy 😳

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cyrilavery · 12/08/2020 07:32

We had an lgbtq awareness programme. I didn't deliver it because I don't have a. Form group, but a teacher who did said a child had commented about transgenderism "what, so I could just identify as a pig? ". Woke teacher outraged.

This was a white working class boy. Although he was expressing himself crudely he can obviously see the absurdity of it, and yet he is sneered at as uneducated by the woke. It's like Douglas Murray says, we have forgotten what we knew until yesterday.

Sittinonthefloor · 12/08/2020 07:29

I’m a science teacher - so I teach the science, not the gender woo woo.

roseapothecary · 12/08/2020 07:22

I'm a GC science teacher. I've never discussed it with other teachers, but the students have asked me questions about it a few times, possibly because there is a transboy at the school. Honestly the students can be pretty transphobic (not towards the transboy just in general) and I have had to speak to them about this a few times.

Mooncupdotcom · 12/08/2020 07:17

Me. Secondary teacher. Had Barnado training and made my thoughts very clear. Had a few woke colleagues look unimpressed but most people interested in GC ideas. The biggest difficulty is making clear that GC questions are not trans or anything else phobic.

NeurotrashWarrior · 12/08/2020 06:48

I find it hilarious we have a noun, "the gender crits!" Who in their right mind thinks not being critical of gender stereotyping is a good thing?!

All eyfs staff know this. And all eyfs staff are always the most knowledgable about child development!

Ewe, I expect it's because there's a lot of threads at the mo about how many slebs and organisations are backing away from a certain charity...

EweSurname · 12/08/2020 05:36

Welshmoth these threads are being watched, and even though it may be naive, I’m glad that people are seeking out and reading different opinions even if their aim is to hunt for screenshots

mobile.twitter.com/mimmymum/status/1293312112547319808

whensmynexthol1day · 11/08/2020 23:10

As a parent this is really good to hear.

I've been wondering though whether my primary aged children could get taught mermaids nonsense without me knowing. Would we get told what the what the phse curriculum was? I clearly don't want to bring it up and be 'that parent' unless I get wind that something objectionable might be taught.

MrsPeacockInTheLibrary · 11/08/2020 22:50

Yes, I am a gender critical teacher. I find it weird and akin to living a double life. I work with and have trusting relationships with trans students. But outside of work, and privately, I have very different views.

I worry about what I see happening.

Myothercarisalsoshit · 11/08/2020 22:48

I actually had the Stonewall training about two years ago. I brought back the key points for the training and presented to governors and the overwhelming response was 'We won't be doing that.' I also lead science and teach it to our older children (Primary). They have had lots of questions which I have answered - particularly around chromasomes and whether your chromasomes can change.

WelshMoth · 11/08/2020 22:15

I'm a GC secondary school, middle leader teacher in a large comprehensive. We have about 6 Transboys at the moment, 2 of which I've been involved with and both have dysfunctional backgrounds. No Transgirls.

4 years ago, Stonewall tried to peddle their bollocks and without any teacher consultation nor parental consent, our confused and easily led kids were told that women can have penises and men can have vaginas. Cue lots of "whaaaaat?!" from many kids and lots of looking around. I wasn't a middle manager at the time but my face was thunder and I made it known to all colleagues.

I am loudly GC but massively supportive of the Transboys who've sought my ear. They're mixed up, heavily influenced by social media and, dare I say it, disappointed by their reality.

Thankfully, my Head, despite not actually having an official conversation with me about this, is on my wavelength. I have however, very vocal about this. I get away with it because everyone knows that I'm very pro-pupil.

My board of governors for now are 'old school' and traditionalists. The danger for me is when that changes.

I'm no longer active on Twitter as I know I was on 'the list' and was threatened with doxxing. I'm the only breadwinner in my family and Cannot afford to do more. My local MP is next to useless and just parrots out the party line.

I'd name and shame them but I know these threads are being watched and folk are vindictive enough to work out my place of work.

Don't be disheartened OP. Join the army of women who will no longer take this utter lie and deception and manipulation by activists, lying down.

Useruseruserusee · 11/08/2020 21:56

I am primary SLT and GC. Most of the SLT are but not all. We did have a trans student but there were a whole host of safeguarding issues/ history and the situation was very complex.

Can’t remember who it was but someone mentioned having a gender non-conforming son. I have one too although he is going into Year 3 next year. He has thick curly hair that he keeps long as that is his preference. Whenever anyone asks about it he just tells them that boys can have long hair too. No one from the school has ever suggested he might be trans despite the long hair and a fondness for stereotypically ‘girly’ hobbies / toys so I’m sure it will be fine. His reception teacher was fab, a real old fashioned battle axe in the best possible way.

EthelMayFergus · 11/08/2020 21:41

I'm a Physics teacher, teaching age 16 - 18 and I'm GC. I spent about 30 minutes bringing our head teacher up to speed when she considered having a talk from Stonewall about 18 months ago. Most of the resources and information I had came from here - thank you everyone Smile. Unsurprisingly all of the science department 'got it' instantly.

I also have four children at a different secondary school to the one I teach at, and their head teacher appears to be gender critical too. There is a 14 year old boy who identifies as a girl but he's not allowed to use any of the girls facilities or participate in their sports.

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stuckinadeeprut · 11/08/2020 21:06

Me! I work with older teens and try to stay quietly focused on putting across very reasonable questions when discussions or training come up. I'm also very involved with PSHE and regularly tinker with the powerpoints and lesson materials regarding equality and diversity to make sure that those delivering the sessions to the students stick to what the legislation actually says rather than made up mermaids drivel. In all honesty, I think most teachers see PSHE as a bit of a pain in the arse add on, so no one so far has had the interest to query the changes I make, although I'd always be up for explaining what I've done and why. Sometimes I think it's better to hold firm and steady and explain clearly, calmly and rationally where necessary, rather than getting into any stand offs. I know there are many others in my workplace doing the same as me and many others who just haven't given it much thought. Much like in wider life where it's only a small, noisy minority who are screaming 'bigots' at us.

ValancyRedfern · 11/08/2020 20:47

I'm a secondary teacher and openly GC at work. I think because we are a Catholic school and our students are mainly BAME and not middle class (teen transition seems to be a very white middle class phenomenon) it hasn't come up as an issue at my school. I did have a run in with a colleague on Facebook about JK Rowling over lockdown. So that will be slightly scary going back to work! The safeguarding lead knows my concerns and I hope I've been there long enough for people to know I'm not an evil bigot. Kiri Tunks being senior in the NEU has given me lots more confidence to speak out.

NeurotrashWarrior · 11/08/2020 20:09

I am, primary Sen.

So many random parents and staff at my children's school could see what I tweet that I'm v careful and use it for work stuff. Like the odd gender critical stuff like let toys be toys etc. I've been a bit braver recently and commented on an excellent essay (which I must remember to post here. )

I have a second account for rampant raving Grin

I've seen the division a bit though and it does my head in. It's very "be kind!"

WhereAreWeNow · 11/08/2020 17:02

@cyrilavery

Something I have noticed and I'm not sure if others working in secondary have noted it too is that ALL of the teenage girls I i each have very very long hair. The only girls with short hair (2) identify as boys.

This might seem like a small thing but when I was at school (am 36) there were a lot of acceptable hairstyles. Bobs, pixie, shoulder length etc. Now ALL the girls have extremely long hair down past the midpoint of their backs. It seems like there is this hyper feminine orthodoxy and if you don't fit into it then you must be a boy. Tomboys don't exist. I don't even think there are goths/emos all those tribes anymore.

I find it disturbing.

Yes, this is really noticeable. DD has one friend with really short hair and she's been asked by other kids if she's a boy or if she's trans. It seems incomprehensible to the other kids that a girl could just have short hair and still be a girl. Depressing.
VictoriaLucas102 · 11/08/2020 16:36

@cyrilavery

Something I have noticed and I'm not sure if others working in secondary have noted it too is that ALL of the teenage girls I i each have very very long hair. The only girls with short hair (2) identify as boys.

This might seem like a small thing but when I was at school (am 36) there were a lot of acceptable hairstyles. Bobs, pixie, shoulder length etc. Now ALL the girls have extremely long hair down past the midpoint of their backs. It seems like there is this hyper feminine orthodoxy and if you don't fit into it then you must be a boy. Tomboys don't exist. I don't even think there are goths/emos all those tribes anymore.

I find it disturbing.

Yes. Daughters of friends the same age as my son (17) ... fake tan, fake eyelashes, long dyed hair, caked in make up, skin tight low cut mini dresses from the age of about 14 .. I sound like a prude but it’s definitely not the natural look they go for. I know it’s probably fashion and noted one of my friend’s daughters was wearing v baggy clothes the other day (baggy is now in, I’m informed by my son!) .. maybe Billy Eilish’s refusal to conform will help shift this hyper-femininity look.

Also really interested about comments on governance as I’m a governor at a secondary school and am dreading this issue coming up. We are moving into a new build school in the next two years and I want to ensure single sex toilets are maintained.

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OvaHere · 11/08/2020 15:35

@cyrilavery

Something I have noticed and I'm not sure if others working in secondary have noted it too is that ALL of the teenage girls I i each have very very long hair. The only girls with short hair (2) identify as boys.

This might seem like a small thing but when I was at school (am 36) there were a lot of acceptable hairstyles. Bobs, pixie, shoulder length etc. Now ALL the girls have extremely long hair down past the midpoint of their backs. It seems like there is this hyper feminine orthodoxy and if you don't fit into it then you must be a boy. Tomboys don't exist. I don't even think there are goths/emos all those tribes anymore.

I find it disturbing.

I've noticed this too. i was looking at some old school photos the other day from the early 90s, we had a huge variety of hairstyles and presentation.

I think an end to this highly sexualised Kardashian/drag emulating/high maintenance culture that is pervasive across social media would do wonders for the self esteem of young girls and do a lot to reverse the fixation on gender stereotypes that pushes some towards identifying out of girlhood.

It will fade out that I'm sure of, all trends do over time. The biggest question is whether what replaces it will be more or less harmful!