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Views that won't change

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deathswiftlyfollows · 09/08/2020 21:08

It's just dawned on me-having been up to my neck in a local labour page discussion today that those who fully accept that TWAW are just never going to see it any other way-the vitriol against any other view, the absolute conviction of it and absolution that any dissenting view is a heresy.
I'm just so sad, local people many of whom I love being so so closed, blinkered and spitting feathers at the notion that we should discuss women's rights and needs and the differing rights and needs of TW/TM without it meaning we are denying their existence! The hyperbole!
I'm just a bit urgh with it all today

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AnotherLass · 09/08/2020 22:26

those who fully accept that TWAW are just never going to see it any other way

I don't think that that is true at all. Many, many people peak, including some full on trans activists. It's just that they need something to make them lower their defences and allow themselves to start to think critically about it.

Because everyone thinks differently, that thing is different for each person. For me, it was the incoherent nature of the ideology. But many people say that it was seeing the behaivour of trans activists - the violent threats, or the dishonesty. Or a particular case like Yaniv. Or someone accusing them of being a t*rf for something innocuous. And for a lot of people it is a combination - the niggles build and build, until something just breaks.

StillWeRise · 09/08/2020 22:19

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nauticant · 09/08/2020 22:03

If you want to see some signs of hope OP, have a read of this:

medium.com/@duncanrailton78/how-i-became-a-trans-rights-activist-then-turned-gender-critical-part-1-cc09c4027b12

It contains a link to Part II.

those who fully accept that TWAW are just never going to see it any other

Maybe, but have a read of the thoughts of Robin Green, a well-known trans activist philosopher:

twitter.com/Teddy_de_Chypre/status/1168502353852604423

TehBewilderness · 09/08/2020 21:33

"Martin Luther in his defense in the 1521 Diet of Worms, Germany, Luther said that "most human affairs come down to depending on whose ox is gored. I am fascinated by the human condition that says, in essence, what I do is perfectly all right, but you should never do the same, as you do not have as pure of motives as I do."

That appears to be what is happening to people who hold genderist beliefs. Self righteousness feels like empowerment until they are the ones under fire and being harmed.

GoshHashana · 09/08/2020 21:32

I find it quite useful actually. If someone truly believes that TWAW, I can get the measure of them as a person.

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