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'Polarised' debate on gender recognition is harming UK, says equalities chief

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MondayYogurt · 08/08/2020 20:45

Observer article www.theguardian.com/society/2020/aug/08/polarised-debate-on-gender-recognition-is-harming-uk-says-equalities-chief

The departing chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commission has said the polarising debate around transgender rights will be damaging to the country if it continues.
In his final interview, David Isaac, who left his position on Saturday after more than four years in post, urged supporters and opponents of gender self-identification to recognise that they had much in common.

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Pepperwort · 08/08/2020 21:08

France and the Nordic countries, certainly the Nordic countries, are rather less sexist: and both are less violent.

Come back when women and girls are not routinely harassed on British streets, when not every female I speak to has her own story of harassment and discrimination, and ask then about letting male sexual fetishes run rampant.

WhereYouLeftIt · 08/08/2020 21:06

"Wonder who will be replacing him then."

I'd love it to be Trevor Philips. Not that that would happen.

TehBewilderness · 08/08/2020 21:05

Is it really a polarized debate when some people want to legalize making fraudulent claims while most people think that would be a terrible idea?

WhereYouLeftIt · 08/08/2020 21:05

He's bothered about 'toxic debate'? Has he been under a rock all these years? NO DEBATE! And that came from one side and one side only.

EdgeOfACoin · 08/08/2020 21:05

Yes, when he talks about France and the Nordic countries it's quite clear where his sympathies lie.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 08/08/2020 21:04

Wonder who will be replacing him then.

The government needs to acknowledge that sex and gender are completely different and separate them in any legislation.
Sex based protection must be maintained at all costs. If the adult males whinge about exclusion, tough shit. They have zero need for female sex based protections.

Gender ideology is a belief that most of the population doesn't share.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 08/08/2020 21:01

I don't want to click if it's just telling women to be quiet and move over.

cheeseismydownfall · 08/08/2020 21:00

That has really, really boiled my piss. The implication that the the lack of debate is due to failings on both sides, and that we should all just be more reasonable. And reducing the fundamental issues that are driving that (non) debate to sound like minor technicalities that should be compromised over.

Fuck. Right. Off. you smug bastard, and to the biased reporting that is masquerading as a balanced article.

This particularly annoyed me:
“I think it’s disappointing: these are tough issues and I think we don’t resolve them by pausing the process,” Isaac said. “We need to look more carefully at how other countries apart from the UK and the US have dealt with these things. France and the Nordic countries have given greater rights for trans people to change their birth certificates. It may be these are more liberal environments where there is less polarisation, but they haven’t had the same toxic debate, and we need to learn from that and work out how we can replicate that. We as a society would suffer enormously if in a decade’s time we were still having this debate.”

Which basically reads as - the solution is to make it easier for trans people to legally change their sex, and we just have to find a way to drag those backward thinking feminists into a more liberal way of thinking.

ExtraExtraMarge · 08/08/2020 20:57

In other words : Women, know your place.

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