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"I do have two biological parents, but I have very little knowledge about their hormones, genitals, and other sex characteristics. I do, however, know their genders."

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/08/2020 14:37

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"I do have two biological parents, but I have very little knowledge about their hormones, genitals, and other sex characteristics. I do, however, know their genders."
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SophocIestheFox · 09/08/2020 18:23

Very true, Errol

TheWordWomanIsTaken · 09/08/2020 17:42

@SapphosRock

For all I know my DC's biological 'parent' (ie the sperm donor) May identify as a woman. I'm pretty sure he doesn't but who knows anymore in the current climate 🤷🏼‍♀️
He may identify as a woman yes. But he's still a man Hmm The whataboutery to justify this gender woo bollocks must be migraine inducing.
ErrolTheDragon · 09/08/2020 16:58

Even if you don't come from a 'traditional set up of two parents who conceived you together in the absence of any outside help', you still know for sure that your bio parents were one male who provided the sperm and a female who provided the egg. You might additionally have had input from a mitochondria donor(always female) and/or a surrogate (again always female).

There is absolutely no wiggle room - if you're a living human being you know exactly and unambiguously the sex of your parents.

DrDavidBanner · 09/08/2020 10:09

I'm sure it sounded much cleverer in her head that it looks in black and white.

SophocIestheFox · 09/08/2020 08:39

Gormless sophistry is my phrase of the week now, thanks Vermeil Grin

It really is silly. No one want to think about their parents shagging, but if you have a “traditional” (for want of a better word) set up of two parents who conceived you together in the absence of any outside help, then it is 100% sure that you had one parent with the means to make large immobile gametes, and one that makes small motile ones, so one of each sex. It’s idiotic to pretend that you couldn’t possibly comment, as if how babies are made is some esoteric, unfathomable mystic process.

My parents are gender critical and know exactly how they made me. I was, in fact, brought by storks of course (because eeeeuuuuuuuwwwwww otherwise)

SerenityNowwwww · 09/08/2020 08:25

I asked DS (16) if he knows the sex and gender of his parents.

He is pretty sure we are male / female (and which is which) but isn’t certain about my ‘gender’ as it’s a prescribed list of sexist stereotypes that I really don’t adhered to. Good lad.

Durgasarrow · 09/08/2020 04:49

Even in those rare cases where the couples are both transgender, and the female "dad" grows a beard, a low grade moron can still tell from the way each parent walks, the shape and thickness of their bones, and a million other things.

HeirloomTomato · 09/08/2020 03:15

They have it ass-backwards: since the people in question are their biological parents, they should know for sure that one is female and one is male.

The gender of their parents, on the other hand, well that’s anyone’s guess. That would of course be down to how they identify. I’m surprised that someone as in tune with trans issues as the Twitter poster, hasn’t simply solved the problem by ensuring they declare pronouns before commencing any kind of dialogue or interaction with their parents. That would keep all concerned abreast of all parties’ chosen or assigned gender identities at any given time. As we all know, gender is fluid and can change from day to day and from context to context so declaring pronouns is the only possible way to ascertain how someone self-identifies in the moment.

ItsLateHumpty · 09/08/2020 02:55

Immaculate conception and birth via the ether, fed by the fae and maybe poor eyesight is what’s caused this un-knowing of biology?

acatcalledjohn · 09/08/2020 00:35

I've just seen she's got a PhD in Anthropology.

Hmm
acatcalledjohn · 09/08/2020 00:27

@Datun

I'd like to know how she knows their gender. Does one of them always wear pink and the other blue? Or is it hair length?

My DD had long hair when he was younger, my DM has worn her hair short for the majority of her life.

Thing is, their gender identities based on their sex, neither are stereotypes were irrelevant when it came to them having sex and conceiving me.

If that tweet is supposed to be a gotcha then GCSE biology has a lot to answer for.

ContentiousOne · 09/08/2020 00:22

The stupid is sapping my will to live.

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 08/08/2020 23:50

@Datun

There are 6,500 differences between men and women. If, from birth, you have grown up with one from each category, and you're not sure which is which, perhaps you should go to specsavers.
Grin Grin Grin
Datun · 08/08/2020 22:15

I'd like to know how she knows their gender. Does one of them always wear pink and the other blue? Or is it hair length?

ErrolTheDragon · 08/08/2020 22:11

Even if your bio parents had both since had cross sex hormones and surgery you would still unambiguously know their sex.

Even if you are a foundling of unknown parentage, the one thing you would know for sure about your bio parents was that one was a man and one was a woman.

Antibles · 08/08/2020 22:07

I would be really quite angry if one of my children denied the reality of my experience as their female parent like this.

Binterested · 08/08/2020 22:02

I had a fairly limited relationship with my father since he left the family home when I was very young. I’ve never seen him anything other than fully dressed. I’ve never even seen him in swimming trunks or wrapped in a towel. Still 100pc sure of his sex though.

ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 08/08/2020 21:38

I've seen pictures of my mum breastfeeding me. I've seen my dad get out of the bath and stride around looking for a towel. I've seen my stepmother's scar from her cesarean section. I changed my siblings' nappies when they were babies. I'm 100% sure what sex every member of my family is. And given that my 3 year old asked me straight up today why he had a willy and daddy had a willy but me and his sister didnt, I'm pretty sure he knows what sex we all are as well. I'm baffled and saddened by the idea that anyone would have such a limited relationship with their parents that they had no idea which sex they were. Although frankly any one who claims that is either extremely thick or deliberately disingenuous. Or both.

DrDavidBanner · 08/08/2020 21:03

Gormless sophistry 🙄

I think its supposed to be a gotcha Hmm

ErrolTheDragon · 08/08/2020 21:03

@SapphosRock

For all I know my DC's biological 'parent' (ie the sperm donor) May identify as a woman. I'm pretty sure he doesn't but who knows anymore in the current climate 🤷🏼‍♀️
What's that got to do with anything? I bet you can make a fair guess as to the general type of hormones, genitals etc the sperm donor had, which is what the person quoted in the OP pretends to be so clueless about.
Binterested · 08/08/2020 20:59

Then there's also the reliable old favourite - which one is likely to die first?

SapphosRock · 08/08/2020 20:57

For all I know my DC's biological 'parent' (ie the sperm donor) May identify as a woman. I'm pretty sure he doesn't but who knows anymore in the current climate 🤷🏼‍♀️

Babs709 · 08/08/2020 20:34

So yeah, families can come in all shapes, sizes and rainbow colours.

I don’t disagree. But the tweet says “biological parents”. I’m assuming your DC know that their two female parents aren’t ‘biological’ (which to clarify wouldn’t make you any less parents, more so than the sperm donor).

Augustseemsbetter · 08/08/2020 20:22

I think talking about any perceived gender of mine to my children would like me discussing what I believe about my soul.

Since I personally have no wish to proselytize, it's just not on the agenda.

But each to their own.

Datun · 08/08/2020 19:49

There are 6,500 differences between men and women. If, from birth, you have grown up with one from each category, and you're not sure which is which, perhaps you should go to specsavers.