More places asking me to state my prounouns. WWYD?

oh don't worry I know. No one does anything anymore unless theres a camera involved

After all I mean a night crew secretly installing equipment in a dark.locked building with no one around to see wont get you likes on face book will it. Much better to make your logo a rainbow so you can elevate your social media status.

So needy...

As previous posters have said if they cared about inclusion

Didn't you know that it's terribly unfair to judge organisations (and people) on what they do in 2020 ? It's so exclusive. The only way to know for sure is to read to what they print. That's where the truth lies. In words, not deeds.

If you're unsure, look at most religions. They've pretty much perfected the essential art of "do as we say, not as we do".

Thankfully I've not been subject to this yet. As previous posters have said if they cared about inclusion there are many ways they could make workplaces more inclusive that don't involve subjecting women to sexism by making their sex known to those they are emailing etc to. This does not benefit women.

And let's face it we all have enough responsibilities. At work. At home. Our families etc I certainly don't consent to being held responsible for the wellbeing and acceptance of strangers or other people. Do what you need to get by and be happy but don't involve the rest if us in it. Thats something we weren't asked and haven't agreed to.

I'm.a crap liar. Its written all over face and it makes me feel really bad. I cant do it. And I wont.

I have wondered if I should say "make sure you check everyone's role in a meeting, it's all too common to assume women are in admin roles, and ask what would make them comfortable too - don't boast about how much childcare you've done during the pandemic when we all know your wife isn't working."

maybe someone should be signing for hard of hearing participants ? Otherwise it's hardly inclusive.

Obviously by now, people with colour blindness need to be considered. So definitely ask the HR bods for guidance on what colour clothing is appropriate. (Keep the fact you can turn the colour off in software to yourself - it's far too sensible for the Walking Woke).

Gender isn’t a protected anything. Only by the laws of twitter.
I'm aware of this, but playing dumb (are we being asked to state whether we are undergoing gender reassignment? Or are you interested in my sex?) may help them to work out what they actually want, in their own mind, and how far they are prepared to take it.

As has been pointed out before, it's not helpful to someone who has considering gender reassignment but isn't out at work, either.

It’s the new thing. Companies are being advised to be ‘inclusive’ ...

... as long as it doesn't cost anything. Heaven forfend they improve their physical access or provide decent disabled toilet facilities. In fact a lot of this trans shit is removing said facilities. Luckily the disabled have been shat on for so long they're used to it. It would have been a different story if men lost their facilities.

Anyway, as you were.

I would ask (especially if UK based) if we have to state all our other protected characteristics? Because you aren't comfortable stating your religion, sexual orientation, and maternity status the first time you meet someone.

I’m too old for this crap. I didn’t haul my arse through a sexist industry to have it all snatched away for younger women.

I can start to see how the war is being lost, with the succession of earnest posts taking my comment about hate crime as serious ... it was a joke (ffs). If people start taking this botty water seriously then the lunatics will be running the asylum. And given they are also running the country, I'm worried they may not be able to cope.

At every turn nonsense like this needs to be treated as nonsense. Either explicitly - by calling it out as bollocks. Or implicitly by a reductio ad absurbem and taking it more seriously than the Rope-a-wokes themselves.

Remember you only have to engineer a situation where the Wokefinder General accuses you of "not taking it seriously and it's game over. So just do what you can.

Maybe next time someone starts on about pronouns at the beginning of a meeting to be inclusive say

“Oh brilliant! Can I add in some other things about being inclusive? I note we have no video subtitles for people with hearing loss which seems rather discriminatory plus ground rules don’t seem to include announcing our names before speaking for people with sight loss. This seems disappintingly exclusionary to me”

They’re not going to have any come back then if you say you believe pronouns are exclusionary for those who may not wish to out themselves yet

It’s the new thing. Companies are being advised to be ‘inclusive’ - which doesn’t seem to mean in such a case that they include subtitles for video calls for those hard of hearing, or ask people to please announce their name before speaking for the the benefit of the visually impaired.

Funny that.

I am also wondering why we need this ?
Can’t you put Ms or whatever? If your title is arbitrary you’d just be referred to as them?
We have titles we choose, why do we need to start “owning” our pronouns which people only use if they’re the type of prick to refer to themselves in third person?? Like disco stu.

First - ignore
Second - ignore, + confusion
Third - “oh, okay, if anyone is unsure what to use if they are discussing me, maybe they could ask me privately?”
Fourth - if anyone does ask you (which would be incredibly rude) give a straight faced “I am a woman”.

I think apostasy is a more fitting definition.

What crime is being committed?

Heresies, obviously.

The only place I have ever been mistaken for a man is on the internet.

I have never understood why random men think it is acceptable to inform random women of their opinion. I have seen it thousands of times so I know it is a social custom similar to being told to smile but I confess I find it intrusive.

Forgot to add I still lived too - can see why it is harder for trans people if that;s the kind of bollocks biological women get just walking about.

As a teen I was missexed on a few occasions - the crew cut, men’s jeans and DMs could have been the cause. Possibly not misgendered as my outer appearance may have been seen to be ‘masculine’ to anyone over the age of 40, but to younger people, I was Annie Bloody Lennox, obviously.I lived.

Meh - presumably because you're biologically a woman, I am too?
I was walking to the train station last year, some lass with her mate passing by me said "you look like a man"
No idea what that was about, maybe the no make up and my raincoat up around my ears lol, however how that makes me a man is anyone's guess
I'm in my 40s.

If you're happy to use trans people's preferred pronouns but not declare your own, you could say just that, that you don't have any preferred pronouns for yourself but you are happy to refer to anyone with whatever pronouns they choose. This is my plan if I my work goes down this route and I think it's entirely reasonable.