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Knew it might happen... Sad it has (DD not conforming to gender norms)

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Aroundtheworldin80moves · 08/08/2020 09:25

DD turned 7 recently. She is obsessed with dinosaurs, and wants to be a Paleontologist or Explorer when she grows up.... Or a cheerleader. All in all, she's just an average 7yo girl with her own likes and dislikes.

For Christmas she got a dinosaur lunch bag, school bag and water bottle. She loves them. Was excited to take them to school.

I had the lunch bags out yesterday. She looked at it sadly and told me how some of the boys had been teasing her, saying it must be her brothers or how she must think she's a boy. She is rather strong willed (i.e. vocal and bossy, I know her bad bits!) and tells them that girls can like dinosaurs too. They were even learning about Mary Anning in lessons at the time.

We work so hard to let our children develop their own likes and dislikes... And then they get nonsense like this over a lunchbox. She's chosen a new school bag... With more dinosaurs on (the last one is too small for Yr3) .

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NearlyGranny · 08/08/2020 16:01

I wish I had heard her at age 5 shouting at her teacher for more playtime! She was probably quite right about that, btw, though shouting is not always the best way to communicate. Sometimes it absolutely is, though. 👍

EinsteinaGogo · 08/08/2020 15:57

@Aroundtheworldin80moves

DD turned 7 recently. She is obsessed with dinosaurs, and wants to be a Paleontologist or Explorer when she grows up.... Or a cheerleader. All in all, she's just an average 7yo girl with her own likes and dislikes.

For Christmas she got a dinosaur lunch bag, school bag and water bottle. She loves them. Was excited to take them to school.

I had the lunch bags out yesterday. She looked at it sadly and told me how some of the boys had been teasing her, saying it must be her brothers or how she must think she's a boy. She is rather strong willed (i.e. vocal and bossy, I know her bad bits!) and tells them that girls can like dinosaurs too. They were even learning about Mary Anning in lessons at the time.

We work so hard to let our children develop their own likes and dislikes... And then they get nonsense like this over a lunchbox. She's chosen a new school bag... With more dinosaurs on (the last one is too small for Yr3) .

You're perpetuating gender norms yourself OP by using the word bossy.

Boys don't get called bossy. They get called 'strong-willled' or 'leader of the pack'.

I'd remove that word from your vocabulary and choose a better descriptor.

dottiedodah · 08/08/2020 15:51

Well I was fascinated by Dinosaurs at her age (still am!) and vividly remember buying a book on dinosaurs(at about the same age ) with my DGM who was amazed at my choice! The guy in the store resonated with me and said he would have chosen the same! Good for your DD.She sounds a lot like me! I like Dinosaurs ,Driving and used to enjoy Woodwork at School as well.Also like Pink,and pretty dresses ,Flowers and so on .One doesnt cancel out the other !Hopefully she will continue to be both Vocal and Bossy ,both of which she will need in future life!(How come boys are always high spirited or organised?)Does anyone say male bosses are bossy or just women I wonder?

KnitFastDieWarm · 08/08/2020 15:22

Oh bless her. Had she seen the show Dino Dana? it’s on amazon prime and it’s about a little girl who loves dinosaurs and doesn’t conform to gender stereotypes - there’s even an episode where she goes back in time to meet mary anning. It aces the bechdel test and i wish they’d had it when i was a dinosaur-obsessed, nerdy, smart, bossy, awesome, ‘ungirly’ little girl 😆

OP’s daughter - you are awesome exactly the way you are, never change yourself for anyone Star

FWRLurker · 08/08/2020 15:05

I had this experience as a child (1980s), though it was a boy saying “are you a boy or a girl” and I said “girl” and that was that.

I felt horrible about it through, like I’d done something wrong by liking dinosaurs and having short hair. I probably started growing my hair out around that time, which looking back is a bit sad. :/

Good luck to your daughter. I am a biologist now, and though not a paleontologist I know a female paleo who is personality wise like your daughter! If she wants to she can make it too.

ThisLittleLady · 08/08/2020 14:56

Haven’t those kids seen Jurassic park?? Female dinosaur enthusiast and expert!!? They’re just being kids. If she had a pink sparkly one they’d probably say something like that too. Good for your daughter. Stick to what she wants and likes ....ignore ignore ignore. ( easier said than done when your 7 tho)

nicky7654 · 08/08/2020 14:51

Kids tease each other, it's perfectly normal. Don't take life so seriously and make mountains out of molehills!

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 08/08/2020 14:48

To clarify... The 'bossy' bit relates to her wanting her own way, not listening to others opinions, answering back, etc. The assertiveness, standing up for others and other bits I encourage. She takes no nonsense and that is definitely a good thing.

Fortunately, she doesn't seem bothered by others opinions on what she should like. Her favourite outfit is one of her dinosaur dresses, her explorers jacket, a straw hat (like the old fashioned school hats!) and her camouflage bag. Her bedroom is decorated with dinosaurs and butterflies. She is definitely individual. And yes, she's pretty awesome. As is her a lot quieter sister, whose more likely to be found with a book.

Hopefully, she will continue to believe in herself and her own opinions. I got her book about female explorers for Christmas, so she definitely knows that women can do these things.

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ChattyLion · 08/08/2020 14:46

Maybe we should be teaching all little girls to tell their over-opinionated, sexist peers the language-appropriate way to fuck off and mind their own business. They're going to need still apparently.

Yes. I taught mine to laugh at how silly the ideas were that kids were repeating, pointing out how ridiculous it all is. We did role plays about it sometimes. Grin
‘Why don’t you think boys are allowed to like pushchairs and dressing up? That’s a bit silly! Toys/colours/clothes are for everyone’.
Etc etc ad infinitum.
They were worried about being rude or get to it into trouble, I said it’s never rude to say when another kid is being silly if that’s making someone else (or you) feel bad. That you don’t have to agree. It’s fine to disagree with ideas and those ideas are silly and old fashioned ideas. Etc.

sergeilavrov · 08/08/2020 14:34

The word bossy needs to be eliminated, try and avoid using it around her at least. Sounds like she’s an assertive leader who is still (obviously) developing those skills at age 7.

Aesopfable · 08/08/2020 14:28

I think they have moved on now but until recently Boden did a whole range of girls clothes in dinosaur prints.

BoxhillBertha · 08/08/2020 13:34

Don't use the word bossy.

She sounds fab.

VashtaNerada · 08/08/2020 13:33

If that behaviour starts up again please let the teacher know. I teach KS1 and I’m always happy to challenge this sort of thing with the class!

DifficultPifcultLemonDifficult · 08/08/2020 13:30

I taught my now 12 year old daughter to question why it was a boy thing.

She was asking the kids in class if her shoes/bag/clothes required the use of a penis to wear them when she was 6 or 7.

She is now 12, rocks her short hair, wears what she wants and is super confident.

If she gets the odd comment now she just says she knows that she is fabulous, and she is 100% unaffected by anyone's opinion. The kids at school know this and rarely say anything to her anymore.

I wish I had a tenth of her confidence now at her age.

VincaMinor · 08/08/2020 13:30

Dd is 16 and has been into minecraft/computer games since she was 8. There were some quite unpleasant kids/parents in her primary class and once when some boys were discussing computer games she mentioned that she liked the particular game and was told "No you don't!" because obviously as a girl she must be lying. So relieved she's not at primary school any more. I worried about her going to her comp, imagining it would get worse but it's been far better than primary school for her. She's been a lot happier socially. Hope it's the same for your dd

netflixismysidehustle · 08/08/2020 13:23

I was going to type Thanks but think your dd would appreciate 🦖🦕 instead.

Although I grew up not conforming to gender norms (Gaming was not popular with girls when I was growing up) children have it so hard with pink/blue culture. In my experience it gets better (boys aren't called gay or a girl for wearing pink after a certain age) but it shouldn't be hard in the first place. Sad Angry

SerenityNowwwww · 08/08/2020 13:22

Oops sorry I missed that. So they have learned about her and still spout sexist claptrap?🙄

SerenityNowwwww · 08/08/2020 13:22

Or do a workshop on Mary Anning.

ButteryPuffin · 08/08/2020 13:20

I would have a word with the teacher and flag this up as something to talk to the class about in general terms, e.g. 'boy things' and 'girl things' can actually be for anyone.

highame · 08/08/2020 13:18

everyone, not everything plus other errors

highame · 08/08/2020 13:17

If all this crap doesn't start to normalise soon I think I'll tear my eyeballs out.

DD was into magnets and building things, it was considered very unusual (she's now 40) but guess what, they thought she was extra clever because she liked boys stuff.

She's brilliant at taking working out how to fix things. It's something she loves to do, her sex is female, I just let her be and her brother and everything else did too.

Those were the days, no pink in sight

thirdfiddle · 08/08/2020 12:41

Go your DD - she is getting to the end of peak stereotype enforcement age so hopefully her classmates will stop being so silly soon. Towards end of primary they seem to get the hang of your interests/style not being imposed by your sex. I'm worried it may get worse in secondary again with the rule of trans ideology.
DS got "you're a girl" for having a red coat in y1, not even pink, red. He did want a pink coat as it happened but liked the red one when we were in the shop. DD had "you're a boy" for having closed top shoes. Goodness knows what they said to her short haired football obsessive never seen in a skirt girl classmate. Fortunately they like your DD just said their classmates were being silly and got on with things. I know a child who was transed by the constant deluge of "you're a girl" at school, having been perfectly happy being a gnc boy before that.

lorisparkle · 08/08/2020 12:11

Ds3 loved Frozen when he was in reception. He really wanted a Frozen party but was not brave enough. I was very happy for him to have a Frozen party just that he was worried about being teased. In the end he had a Frozen/ pirate party.

BlindAssassin1 · 08/08/2020 12:01

Maybe we should be teaching all little girls to tell their over-opinionated, sexist peers the language-appropriate way to fuck off and mind their own business. They're going to need still apparently.

SerenityNowwwww · 08/08/2020 10:43

Since when are dinosaurs male? Remind her that people who push gender stereotypes are the dinosaurs!

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