Identifying that men are more violent than women is sexist

That’s a terrible article. And oh, Sofie, given your belief in gender identity, how could you possibly know that the data on men and women committing crime is accurate? Did you ask them all their gender identity? Did you separate the data from before about 2016 when we used to report by sex, and post 2016 when we seem to report on a mix of sex and gender? What about non binary people like you, where do they fit in? Hideously misgendered and forgotten, no doubt.

To be honest, I think there is a fundamental mis communication around prejudice and bias between the statisticians and the social sciences. This is an example of it.

I have sat in on debates about racism. The social scientists think it is racist to make any generalisation around ethnicity, even if the side effects of a drug are 80x as common in people of East Asian descent, for example. The statisticians think it is racist to assume everyone behaves the same as the white, Caucasian males it was tested on.

It's a bit like Invisible Women and the "Gotcha" saying "what is this book if feminists think men and women are the same." Same school of thought, same fundamental problem with our education system.

It's not so much the 'myself' word, so much as that she puts herself first: 'myself and my co-host', rather than 'my co-host and I...' that is objectionable. Shouldn't she know to put the other person first?

News Flash: Ninety-two percent of murderers in the UK are Men.

Could it be that Dr Shaw is just a bit of an attention seeker?

I genuinely don't understand how Dr Shaw's logical analysis works. If she was a first year student I would recommend going back to some basic decision tree logical analysis

Yes, one of the things that struck me was that it didn’t seem to come to any conclusion. Don’t articles tend to normally start from a for/against position, then show evidence, then come to a conclusion? It seems more of a thinking out loud article, where she is trying to get her head around it and decide what she thinks, without having come to any conclusion

She starts off undermining the need to differentiate by sex class at all which seems the end result of the ‘logic’ of queer theory.
She then rehashes the MRA trope that women get more lenient sentences than men.
In the end she the seems to be saying that yes, there are a few rare female murderers -well we know that as so many Hollywood films and TV series’s are made about them year after year.

Number? of misogyny: The worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad. Right?

That article is just... Eugh. So many things wrong with it.

[quote vivariumvivariumsvivaria]Sofie Hagan announced that she's NB in a long and rambling post last year.

Nothing she has ever been involved with makes that much sense to me. So, this is no surprise.

www.sofiehagen.com/newsletters/2020/2/26/also-im-not-a-woman-2019[/quote]
This is the idiot who tried to get a cancer awareness campaign closed down on the grounds of 'fat shaming' a few years ago. So I guess anything is possible.

Strange article, talks about Canada's most notorious serial killer, Karla Homolka. Well, let's look at the facts. Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka, raped (which wouldn't have been Karla) and killed three minors. Not really up to the Peter Sutcliffe model is it? Thirteen women murdered and seven attempted murders. Or Harold Shipman, probably 250 victims.

But her own data seems to show that she's talking rubbish? I mean, of COURSE not all women who commit violent are intrinsically violent (or bad people) just like not all men who do are. But the point is that overall, women are less inclined to kill. And when they do, they are more likely to do so as a result of outside factors. Doesn't mean you don't get outliers. I mean, the whole point of generating data is to understand what is most likely/common and to understand how and why outliers exist.

This line sums it up: "This is even more the case when we consider that research has found that compared to men, women more frequently kill intimate partners in situations where the homicide victim initiated the physical aggression."

That's not to say that ALL WOMEN who kill are like this, but that it's more frequent?

Surely the point of justice systems is to understand what is really happening and to take that into account?

Argh, this kind of thing drives me mad. Because the next thing you know, all those wankers out there who are bleating abut hw life is hard for men and that domestic violence should equally centre men because "men also experience DV" will use it to back up their claims. Sigh.

@Imnobody4 - that's an awful lot of labelling before they get to unlabelled. I feel like it might have been quicker to list the 'experiences' they are not working to understand.

@Collidascope the myself thing drives me mad too. People think it makes them sound clever. It does not.

Don't have much time for Dr. Julia Shaw, she seems rather a light weight in the mould of Naomi Wolf.
She's founder of the Bi-sexual Research Group. We are a group of researchers, educators, and activists working to better understand the bisexual, pansexual, polysexual, plurisexual, queer, fluid, and unlabeled experience.

'There is also the tendency to split data into men and women. This is not because all researchers endorse a strict gender binary, but because these represent the two largest and easiest to measure groups.'

?????!!!!!!

Drives me mad too! I think people think using "I" or "myself" is the "posh" way of saying "me"

Yeah, I think this is why it annoys me. It's both affected and wrong. Whereas someone saying, "Me and Sofie did..." is grammatically wrong but isn't pretentious, so doesn't bother me.

What even is the point of the article, really? As you say, EyesOpening, she's just confirming the initial 'assumption' by looking at the evidence.

@EyesOpening that figure doesn't include those in jail or like the zodiac killer who have gone "dormant "

I read somewhere years ago that the FBI believe that at anyone time there are between 100 and 150 active serial killers in the US at any time