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Andrew Doyle takes aim at SNP

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BovaryX · 07/08/2020 07:10

Andrew Doyle writing in the Spectator takes aim at the new hate speech legislation in Scotland. He says the SNP regards the term 'nanny state' not as a criticism, but an aspiration. Apparently even actors performing plays will be in the crosshairs of these potentially paralysing laws, which are worded so vaguely and so open to subjective interpretation, anyone could fall foul of them. In Orwellian fashion, the Justice secretary claims they don't threaten freedom of speech, but protect it....

www.spectator.co.uk/article/could-possession-of-the-bible-become-an-offence-in-scotland

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Therewillbetroubleahead · 11/08/2020 22:59

Just wondering; the SNPs hate crimes bill... surely by campaigning for independence the SNP could be argued to be stirring up hate against the English?

nauticant · 08/08/2020 15:50

Maybe, but from what I've seen of these laws so far the issue isn't whether someone is caught by their scope but rather whether the Police on receiving a report are motivated to go after the spreader of hate. For some classes of complainants, and classes of hate spreaders, the Police don't seem to be especially motivated.

JamieLeeCurtains · 08/08/2020 15:44

I know Frankie Boyle's gone to Wokerton but he'll fall foul of complaints - that I imagine a lot of people will be happy to make - on other grounds given that

(protected groups [are] defined by age, disability, racial or ethnic identity, sexual orientation, transgender identity or ‘variations in sex characteristics’)

and his given his record on insulting and offending people with disabilities, for example.

nauticant · 08/08/2020 13:53

As for 'variations in sex characteristics' what does that mean?

It's supposed to mean "intersex". See here:

data.parliament.uk/DepositedPapers/Files/DEP2019-0059/Variations_in_Sex_Characteristics-Technical_Paper.pdf

That document even expressly warns that:

29. We were also alerted to issues relating to people’s broader experiences of the healthcare system through engaging with stakeholders who reported: ... Health professionals conflating transgender status and variations in sex characteristics.

What's the betting that in no time at all "variations in sex characteristics" in the law will be extended to apply to people who "think they're in the wrong body"? It's likely to be yet another Trojan Horse.

motorcyclenumptiness · 08/08/2020 13:42

How could that possibly pass constitutional muster?

DidoLamenting · 08/08/2020 12:41

@queenofknives

Hahaha the (Judith) butler did it
😄
DidoLamenting · 08/08/2020 12:41

@sleepyhead

Nah, Frankie's got himself some woke armour. He'll be just fine.
Frankie Boyle will be one of the witch hunter generals.
NonnyMouse1337 · 08/08/2020 12:37

[quote LizA49]This is a really good article about what is going wrong (and why) in Scotland.

sourcenews.scot/robin-mcalpine-the-foundations-of-scotlands-democracy-have-crumbled-and-you-should-worry/[/quote]
That's a good article. Very worrying though.

queenofknives · 08/08/2020 12:15

@queenofknives

Hahaha the (Judith) butler did it
That was supposed to be in response to the Rebus comment, sorry!
queenofknives · 08/08/2020 12:14

Hahaha the (Judith) butler did it

sleepyhead · 08/08/2020 11:57

Nah, Frankie's got himself some woke armour. He'll be just fine.

JamieLeeCurtains · 08/08/2020 11:17

Frankie Boyle may as well just hand hand himself in to Barlinnie now

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 08/08/2020 10:37

Liz, thank you, good if depressing and worrying article

terryleather · 08/08/2020 10:14

[quote LizA49]This is a really good article about what is going wrong (and why) in Scotland.

sourcenews.scot/robin-mcalpine-the-foundations-of-scotlands-democracy-have-crumbled-and-you-should-worry/[/quote]
Yes, I read that yesterday and it's eye opening, but depressing and terrifying at the same time.

MadamBatty · 08/08/2020 09:17

I’m imagining an episode of Rebus after this.

There’s been a MURTER, what somebody is DEID? No. they have hurty feelz. Their feelings have been murtered.

LizA49 · 08/08/2020 09:12

This is a really good article about what is going wrong (and why) in Scotland.

sourcenews.scot/robin-mcalpine-the-foundations-of-scotlands-democracy-have-crumbled-and-you-should-worry/

BaronEssoStation · 08/08/2020 09:10

I like the sound of the cave.

Chersfrozenface · 08/08/2020 09:03

I wonder what Nicola Sturgeon is referring to in this interview. Could she mean, perhaps among other things, the self ID debacle and the Hate Crime Bill? I've watched the video in the BBC story but not the full interview.

Story from the BBC www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-53691559

"Nicola Sturgeon has said the SNP needs to "focus on what matters to people" ahead of next year's election and put aside internal disputes.

The first minister was speaking after a number of public rows about her party's policies and strategies.

The SNP leader said internal fighting would be a turn off for voters."

sleepyhead · 07/08/2020 19:42

Yep, wee Patrick Harvie is up to his neck in it.

There seems to be a small but insanely influential group behind the Scottish policy woke wash. Lots of deals done presumably in order to push through other polices that the minority SNP govt want (not that it's just the Greens by any stretch - internal capture as well).

boreda11 · 07/08/2020 19:26

I have often said that the best argument against Scottish independence is the SNP.

This proposal says it in a nutshell.

queenofknives · 07/08/2020 18:13

Haha I gave her my coldest look of contempt and smiled as her soul withered inside her body...

SerenityNowwwww · 07/08/2020 17:40

I hope you gave them the finger. These facemasks make communication so much more necessarily visual these days...

queenofknives · 07/08/2020 16:35

The hatred for JK is intolerable. Some random nobody in the street turned around and shot me a look of daggers simply for saying her name.

I need to go and live in a cave.

I'll come with you. Terfcave.

RunningWild12 · 07/08/2020 14:44

queenofknives I share your pain! Just had bloke at work on zoom call tell me how transphobic JKRowling is. I absolutely despise the Scot govt and although I was a supporter of independence I don’t think I care any longer when I look at the state of politics. So many are really quite thick, others are genderism ideologues and the others along for the ride. The number of bad laws this lot seem determined to push through is wearying.
This is the govt that redefined “woman” to include “man” for the Gender Representation on Public Boards Act. Call yourself Loretta, out “Ms” on your gas bill and you’re a woman as far as the political class in Scotland is concerned. Woeful. I need to go and live in a cave.

Anonymum263 · 07/08/2020 14:31

Shocking.