Kate Tempest - new name, new pronouns and a haircut

i think she does think that 🤷🏼‍♀️ and all the beardy woke bros think that too.

Talk about making a mockery of the struggle gay and lesbian ppl have had re coming out - all she did was shave her head and take a letter out of her name!

She may as well have 'come out' as a bowl of jelly, that's how much meaning a declaration of non-binariness means.

I mean seriously, does she really think that other women are just jumping with joy at their natural femininity or something?

whats courageous abouta woman saying shes not a woman?

Onegirl - I am non binary, are you?

onegirl you have come to the feminist board and used a misogynistic term but haven't properly engaged in the discussion.

And it's 'their'.

I always think that people who want to be referred to as 'they' see themselves as some sort of cosy little impenetrable club if individuals. (it's just a quirk of language, I know) Whenever someone mentions Sam Smith on the radio I'm subconsciously waiting for other people to be mentioned but no, Sam Smith is just a cosy little 'they' all on Sam Smith's own.

Have to admit I've never heard of KT but I hear KT is good. I'm not sure what changing KT's name and cutting KT's hair actually does though apart from drawing attention to KT?

We're all non-binary, why do some people have to make a big song and dance about labelling themselves as someone who'll have sex with any specific type of person? If I was chatting KT up with a view to getting KT into bed that might be important. But otherwise, why does KT need to announce it to the world?

I can't stand all the sexist stereotyping (both ways) which goes hand in hand with the whole bollocking non-binary bollocks.

Come out as what? She's still a woman. A female.
So what exactly has she come out as? Someone who has had a haircut and thinks it makes them something different?
Someone who has too much time on their hands to think about this sort of shit.
Someone privileged enough to think they can deny their femaleness.

It's all bullshit.

I had my hair cut short last year. I've never ever conformed to female stereotypes. I didn't realise I could have been a right attention seeker and declared my non conformity of the binary to the world and be told how different and special and authentic I was being.

Quite frankly I have more important things to worry about (feeding my kids, worrying about this stupid world my kids are growing up in, worrying that my gay son will face actual phobic behaviour from shitty people) than my "gender feels" of the day.

Blimey - this is a bizarrely bitchy thread about Kate Tempest!

...should have said 'they're' music. So easy to slip up :-/

We're all non binary. There's no coming out about it.

I'm not really into her music or poetry, but the piece she wrote about coming out as non-binary was beautifully put. Good for her, and the courage she will give to other young people (and older people!) who fear coming out.

Sorry. Should just be 'I met' . Was going to say 'came across' but I did engage in conversation with this person. I didn't comment in any GC way to as it wasn't appropriate or worthwhile in the context.

I came met someone in a professional context who is female, wears dresses, is interested in fashion but maybe has a quirky style, loves makeup and looking good, has a very feminine name, works in a field where women are hugely over represented... But is a non binary they/them person interested in 'fighting against the patriarchy.' 'They' do have shortish hair. It just seems like an extremely lazy and ineffective way to respond to the patriarchy. There is no sense to be made of it imho.

@endofthelinefinally Urgh. Very very depressing. But thanks for responding.

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Lots of praise, adulation, centre of attention.

I had the idea that she was young, but she’s 34

Ah. I see. Stage school, sheltered upbringing, perhaps? Trying to be kind, here ...

@endofthelinefinally did you friend say what support was being given and why? Lots of talking? New pronouns being used? I thought feeling like a misfit sometimes and not being sure who you are was a standard teenage developmental experience. It's not exclusive to the non binaries, maybe when they are older they will realise that there were plenty of other young women who didn't fancy adhering to a sterotype so they just didn't. No fuss or angst or naval gazing required.
I really don't understand what changes from one day to the next if you label yourself non binary, except your perception of yourself as "other" or "different" now has a (made up) name. So you might feel you have an answer and so happier but why would you need support once you feel happier? I feel like I'm being obtuse but I don't want to be.
I would love to know whether the lesbian and gay community are utterly pissed off with having their long fight for equality lumped in with this utter none issue. Just not sure what sources are reliable.

Good for her. Whatever makes you happy my love. I really couldn’t care less.

I'm scared the bubble won't burst and all gender non conforming young people will be non-binary soon.

Becomes more and more narrow.

I think when the whole bubble is burst, they're all going to be so very very embarrassed of writing such nonsense. Your body is female, kt, whether you accept that or not.

This upsets me because young girls need role models like KT to show they don't have to grow up to be Barbie. Every time a woman like KT comes out as non-binary the pressure grows on young girls who don't fit gender stereotypes to transition themselves. The space in which to be a girl or woman more and more narrow.