Kate Tempest - new name, new pronouns and a haircut

Love the visitors who find old threads to pretend to be shocked and outraged by.

its like finding out your favourite footballer's playlist, or scientist's politics. But the anger here is bizarre.

NB are the new “not like other girls”. Oh, yes, I’m female but I’m not like THAT. Where THAT is some gross 1950s stereotype. In other words it’s internalized misogyny, a totally normal reaction to patriarchy but one in which you throw everyone else under the bus.

Especially For those of us Who Were “not Like other girls” In our youth It definitely brings forth an eye roll and a big sigh.

They’ll grow out of it, yes, Once they too accept that women are people, but I’m allowed to be annoyed if I want.

Lol, heterosexual frumping, that's going to tickle me for the rest of this Wednesday afternoon Scrimpshaw. Love a good old dowdy frump about the place

Wow. Some furious judgemental people commenting on Tempest's gender thing here.
Until you see them live, you don't know their work. The rest is irrelevant.
It's like finding out your favourite footballer's playlist, or scientist's politics. But the anger here is bizarre.

There was even a thread where this was personified as one's inner Beryl (not quite sure if that was the name , but a name was given to this mindset and how terribly difficult it was to ignore Beryl.

Ah! I was told she was a brilliant wordsmith, so searing, honest and raw! I checked out some of her peoms and music... kind of teen angst, lots of well used analogies and, to be honest, a tad repetitive! A bit like Sam Smith in the "Here are my feeelings, adore me!" manner.

Let me untangle the madness that knots you
I drop to my knees and crawl across you

Like we're going to buckle underneath the trouble
Like any minute now
The struggle's going to finish us

@Rumble85 I remember during the 80s when we were angsting over gender bending, fighting social norms and just being what would nowadays be called "non binary". I'm in my mid 50s now, still don't conform to any of the gendered expectations. Stick around. Once you get past the difference in how we talk about it (non binar is just how many of us are, we don't wear that label) you'll discover that many of us are far more accepting of whatver the hell you want to be than you have been led to believe.

We just don't want to be told that we are wrong, must budge up, or that biology is immaterial!

“I’ll exit , stage left, with my partner” would have been enough.
We are all non binary. Every single person I know is non binary, so in what way are we excluding you ?

Modern?! MODERN?! We'll have none of that nonsense round here. Be gone with you now, young person for it is Sunday and we have the heterosexual frumping to be getting on with.

One from a male and one from a female

What on earth has made you think the site doesn't represent the majority of mothers or parents?

We welcome all family set ups but if you have a child there was some biology involved in getting it here ie two gametes - one from a male and one from a male - just the same as all children.

I think I just expected this site to represent the majority of mothers or parents (because not all parental setups involve mothers). I think I have come to the wrong place.

I'll exit stage left, back into the real world where my non binary partner and I can raise our kids in peace.

I've read your room, and it's not inclusive to me, a fellow mum. Have fun in your net.

The advantage of being old is that we’ve seen it all before.

Oh no - we might not be modern enough.

It does make me laugh how people think attacking feminists for being old is going to be a real killer insult. Because obviously, the worst thing a woman could possibly be is slightly unyouthful...

@rumble85, welcome to mumsnet. You might want to read the room a bit and realise that we know that you can't opt out of womanhood by cutting your hair and changing your name, and to pretend as much doesn't help anyone, least of all girls who don't adhere to feminine stereotypes.

I don't think any of my trans or gender non conforming colleagues are harmful for children by hiding identities. I work with and for children and young people and have seen firsthand that this causes no issue.

I thought this forum would be more accepting of modern viewpoints. shame.

My point is that feminism as practised on here seems to be a tool to enable women to deal with trivial things but not to do deal with more important issues.

One of the main issues discussed on here at the moment concerns children being unnecessarily diagnosed with something which isn't an illness which results in them being medical patients for life and sterilised before they are adults. I don't think that's trivial. Do you?

People who these children might view as role models deciding that they are not women/men because they don't 100% conform to regressive gender stereotypes and hence encouraging these children to make similar decisions about their 'gender identity' means that more children will end up going down this medicalised route. Do you think this is trivial?

Yet on the other hand this raised consciousness never seems to help in avoiding taking on "wife- work" , not buying presents for husband's family, dividing child care equally. That is always too difficult because of "the patriarchy" or "female socialisation"

I seem to have missed those threads. Can you post some links?

I think this non-binary thing is a brilliant way to get people to out themselves as stupid narcissists. She's similar to Sam Smith in that sense.

Agree with Beamur's 'it takes more courage to declare you're a woman these days'

Do you think that KT has noticed that since KT's surname begins with a T, KT's name sounds EXACTLY THE SAME?

Or is KT dropping the Tempest bit?

Accepting of what? Getting their hair cut, not being 'girly'.. being different to 'other girls'?
Fwiw I don't think that makes for a great role model, I'd be happier if my GNC child knew they were loved and accepted exactly as they are by me regardless of how they appear.
Identity labels are for their peers not their parents.

Good for Kae. Nice to see a talented UK musician speaking so openly about their identity. We need more of this, so kids whose parents would be less accepting have role models to turn to.
X