Mail Article - Porn’s obsession with young girls

[quote Wavescrashingonthebeach]@EarlofEggMcMuffin

I wish i didnt have to, but i do agree with you. I just meant that the horrible pervy men had always existed which they have.

Some of the stuff on "lads whatsapp groups" makes me despair for humanity.[/quote]
Sorry Waves I thought you were apologising for this behaviour.
Tone doesn't translate on a screen.

Utterly vile. I'm glad that the Mail published the article, but it does (again) highlight it's own hypocrisy with the sidebar - Carey writes
'But can we remind ourselves that this is 2020 — not 1982, when The Benny Hill Show was still on our screens?'
And at the side is a list of -titillation- stories about women wearing very little - and the descriptors 'racy', 'display', 'revealing'
Who needs Benny Hill making fun of male lust, when you can get it without comment in your paper?
(Not a defence of BH)

Poor Grace didn’t ask to be murdered. I’m putting this here because this has everything to do with Carey’s article:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8598313/Grace-Millanes-murderer-appeals-conviction-life-jail.html

I don't really think I'd blame men for not saying anything to their friends - the fact is that a lot of pop culture says that it is normal and healthy, and many women also buy into that.

You can find men and women who don't, but usually because somehow they've either been explicitly taught different values, or they've seen the seedy side of it more obviously.

I don't imagine that the market will ever completely disappear, but it's better for everyone when it is seen as socially unacceptable and controlled. There are lots of people then who avoid it, understand why it's problematic even if they experiment some as teens, and it doesn't get so far-out either without the heavy consumption.

A big question IMO is how it became so generally accepted, and how to get people to question that. Part of the narrative, and the same applied to more exotic sexual practices as well, is that people have "always" done this stuff, they just kept it hush hush - a la Masters and Johnson. Only unsophisticated people, supposedly, believe most people didn't always do x, y, or z.

The way porn is now is worse than it’s ever been at any point in history simply because of the ease of availability.
20 years ago I was the manager of a video shop, had worked there for ten years. Our ‘adult’ section had three “Confessions of a window cleaner” type videos in it. Porn in those days would be a video bought in Soho or in a specialist section of a video shop, recorded and passed to a mate. The boyfriends I had might have magazines, but usually one or two videos. These would get trashed as soon as we moved in together.
Now all a man has to do is go to the toilet with his phone. And infinite variety of girls all at his disposal. He will have flicked through and masturbated to hundreds/thousands of them by the time he’s an adult.
The biggest trends in porn have always been taboo, usually so a company can distinguish its videos from the competitors.

That’s why squirting and anal suddenly became so popular. A friend of mine who worked in an adult video shop in Soho said he remembers when anal suddenly became mainstream. And it coincided with men suddenly asking for it from my female friends who whilst some were into it, most were scared or turned off. No one asked me for anal until I was in my late twenties which is when the trend was everywhere. Now I hear my daughters 13 year old friends talking about boys asking them to do it on first dates.

Barely legal teens has been a theme for at least 15 years if not more, but it gains traction all the time with girls who look younger and the words like “Destroying her tiny....”
Big trend now is incest. How does this make boys regard their sisters? Dads regard their daughters? Stepdads? Stepsons?

Choking - that other delightful trend. The one that is starting to show an increase in young girls saying they have been subject to unwanted choking.

It’s vile, yet people say it’s a harmless fantasy. Bravo to this article. I wish the Guardian and Independent would step up and take some responsibility. If I were to post that article on my social media most of my friends would drown it out by complaining about the source.

@EarlofEggMcMuffin

I wish i didnt have to, but i do agree with you. I just meant that the horrible pervy men had always existed which they have.

Some of the stuff on "lads whatsapp groups" makes me despair for humanity.

I had to grit my teeth to finish reading that article- I have 2 DD's approaching this age range.
I rage at the thought of any man looking at them in that way.

I'm sorry Waves but "problem as old as time"?
Yes, there have always been creepy men, but porn used to be something slightly shameful- in behind a counter in the shop.
I can remember watching "Friends" and it was slightly edgy that they talked about porn in every day conversation.
And how we all laughed , cos it was only "old prudes" who would baulk at porn.

Now it's out, in the phone of every man on the street.
And, as the research shows, there's a desensitising effect, so that stuff that men might have deemed "too much" 5 years ago, is now ok.

I despair of men. They will not pull each other up over this. They will not say to their mates "look man, that's not ok".
They egg each other on, instead.

It is a well written article but correlation and causation are two different things.
I absolutely abhor the depiction and treatment of women in most p0rn scenes. And it definitely doesnt help in founding a decent respect level for women. I think this is where it is really really important to teach young adults to seperate fact from fiction so they grow up with a healthy respect for each other.

The issue of men perving at her young daughter is sadly as old as time. Im mid 30's and remember cars beeping, slowing down and catcalling us when we walked home in school uniforms as young teenagers. It didnt bother me at the time but in hindsight it's horrifying.

My Mum in her 60's told me flashers were incredibly commonplace when she was young.

I found the article absolutely terrifying especially the normalisation of more extreme porn, including the imagery of very young women.

That's a well written and frankly terrifying article.