Mail Article - Porn’s obsession with young girls

The DM, as pointed out by one of the writers of Father Ted, publishes a lot of photos of women in their late teens/early twenties in swimwear or revealing clothing. Not as bad as the porn the article mentions, but still it must contribute to the unacceptable harassment young women face.

The more bits are covered, the more a flash of those bits is seen as titillation, so they need to be covered more.
It's a vicious circle ending in Victorian style head to toe covering, or burkas, so women can be sure they haven't encouraged men.

This x1000000. Rape is rife in countries where women are covered. Ive been on a beach in Ibiza wearing next to nothing, surrounded by people all wearing next to nothing, never felt safer in my life and no one was leering at anyone, just cracked on having a good time!!!!

@quentinwinters

Sorry meant to quote the original post above you

"You may not be a prostitute, but you sure wear a prostitute's uniform, so men will treat you like that" does nothing to incentivise men to change.

Its not ok to rape or assault prostitutes either you know. A consensual transaction takes place (apart from the poor girls forced into it, i guess u have no respect for them either). Totally fucking different.

But if this hypersexualisation of everything is not adressed nothing will ever change it will just become worse and worse.

I agree with this but also that women walking down the street can wear whatever the fuck they want as long as the relevant bits are covered and not be treated like a "prostitute" as you say. Funnily enough, a lot of escorts travel to jobs in jeans you know. And also theres been a big thing on social media of rape survivors wearing thw outfit they were assaulted in- again often jeans and a tshirt- holding a sign saying was i asking for it?

I don't think this is really helpfull. How many boys with their ass cheeks out do you see in the street? Women and girls should contribute their share to end rapey porn culture.

ODFOD. Just walking my dog before i passed many young men with SHOCK HORROR bare chests yes nipples and everything! Guess what! Didnt give me any rapey thoughts or that they were 'asking' for anything. I just cracked on and went about my day.

I don't see men with their bums out, because there isn't pressure on them to dress like that. I do however see lots topless at this time of year, and they arent being harassed or perved on by women.

good luck with changing men's attitudes
There is no incentive at all for men to change attitudes while women work around them. Telling girls "You may not be a prostitute, but you sure wear a prostitute's uniform, so men will treat you like that" does nothing to incentivise men to change.

Making it socially unacceptable to catcall/comment on girls bodies regardless of what they are wearing will

It's Instagram, music videos, films, fashion... girls are being groomed to become sex objects from very young age. It's always been like that, but now it is presented as being their own choice and that makes it even harder to tackle.

If you point out this fact, men will say you are just a jealous, fat prude and many women will say, we must not police women's bodies. But if this hypersexualisation of everything is not adressed nothing will ever change it will just become worse and worse.

I don't think this is really helpfull. How many boys with their ass cheeks out do you see in the street? Women and girls should contribute their share to end rapey porn culture

It's more stuff like Instagram. How many young women are growing up looking at scantily clad models on that site and thinking their body is their main currency and emulate to do the same?

Porn is just the extreme version.

@QuentinWinters

You didn't answer my question. How many boys with their bums out do you see on the street? They don't seem to have a problem with "modest" dressing. Why is being a woman equated with wearing skimpy clothes? Let's not pretend this has anything to do with liberations of women ot their sexuality. Burqa and bikini are just different sides of the same coin. We live in a porn culture where every part of woman's body is fetishized, more nudity won't help and good luck with changing men's attitudes. They think along the lines : You may not be a prostitute, but you sure wear a prostitute's uniform, so I will treat you like that and girls should be told about that not fed lies that being naked is empowered.

I don't think this is really helpfull. How many boys with their ass cheeks out do you see in the street? Women and girls should contribute their share to end rapey porn culture
Stop that. It's a bum. It's not inherently erotic, men need to stop feeling like the sight of certain bits of women or girls entitles them to be pervy.
The problem with thinking that how women dress contributes to how they are treated, is that it leads to "modesty" dressing. The more bits are covered, the more a flash of those bits is seen as titillation, so they need to be covered more.
It's a vicious circle ending in Victorian style head to toe covering, or burkas, so women can be sure they haven't encouraged men.

Far far better to deal with mens attitudes so they don't automatically equate clothing choices with a woman being up for it.

Especially when the "woman" in question is in fact a child exploring and playing at what it means to be a woman.

My 12 year old DD went out in a knee length skirt and belly top (quite a long one) the other week and got cat called by some 30 year olds, and told what a gorgeous body she had. Rather than making her think her body is the problem, those men should be made to feel ashamed of themselves for their paedophilic attitudes (DD cannot be mistaken in any way for an adult)

Now when Claire goes out, I find myself urging her to take more clothes to cover up with, as if she needs a suit of armour.

Claire responds that she should feel free to wear what she wants: I don’t think I should be forced to dress differently.

These men should know they are not entitled to look at me like they own me.

And she is so right

I don't think this is really helpfull. How many boys with their ass cheeks out do you see in the street? Women and girls should contribute their share to end rapey porn culture. Stop treating yourself like a sex object, stop buying into pop and fashion industry BS, stop celebrating idiots like Miley Cyrus, Cardi B, Beyonce.., they should be mocked.

Why? WHY? Why don't these men care more about their daughters?

Because they are selfish, entitled bastards and they prioritise their boners above anything else. They showed us many times who they are, just believe them.

Women should push back much harder, because men will not change, they are like children pushing boundaries, one falls, there is another to be challenged.

A woman said she is fine with her partner using porn, but live chat is where she draws the line. Guess what, in a while, live chats will be totaly normal, as long they don't meet IRL, and so on and on..... until men will be allowed to have a house full of sex slaves (robots or real ones) like back in "good old times" and his wife feeling totally fine with that, even more, oh so empowered.

Pointless if men don't join us. Adult men. You know, ones with jobs and mortgages and homes and families and some iota of moral responsibility. But they don't. Why? WHY? Why don't these men care more about their daughters?
Because they've watch that shit themselves and don't like the cognitive dissonance between thinking they are a decent bloke and thinking they could've wanked over abuse of girls.
Much easier to pretend everyone loves it and it's all fine.

novel, game, anime...
all these things affect woman, and the way people think of woman.

imo, 50 shade of gray(?) actually gave awakening "woman actually have sm fantasy."

No actual woman was harmed in the writing of that tripe. Porn videos on the other hand involve real women being degraded.
Yep.
I never understand how people can equate a novel (work of fiction) or film (acting, no risk) with porn (real sex, often violent, with all the inherent risks of pregnancy, STDs, injury)
It baffles me. If they were that similar, we could just ban porn and have acted films. It's much safer for all involved.

The journalist has written a really powerful article calling for women to mobilise, to take action and call for legislation to protect girls.

^.
Pointless if men don't join us. Adult men. You know, ones with jobs and mortgages and homes and families and some iota of moral responsibility. But they don't. Why? WHY? Why don't these men care more about their daughters?

If the fundamental differences between the porn industry and bodice rippers are the problems of the porn industry, what you get is people looking to find ethical porn, even if it's at te level of watching people's home movies and such.

The fact that lots of women have rape fantasies isn't really something that's all that meaningful in itself, IMO, but as far as indulging them through books or whatever - if we really think that watching sexual violence affects how people think and feel about it, or sex more generally, it would seem likely that reading about it as a regular thing also affects people.

What was one of the biggest selling books and film franchise of the last decade? 50 Shades. Essentially a violent porn novel with the lead female character abused by a man. And it was women who were buying it and wetting themselves over it. What message does that send?

No actual woman was harmed in the writing of that tripe. Porn videos on the other hand involve real women being degraded. 75% of female porn performers are trafficked into the industry, average time to burnout (or whatever it is called) is three months now. 95% of porn on the internet today involves humiliating, degrading, harming and terrorising women. And teaching men who watch this that women exist only to service their needs. This is now having a measurable effect on relationships in the 18 to 25 age range in terms of how females partners are treated by their male partner.

A badly written rip off of a vampire teen romance does not compare. On any level. No societal effect of that magnitude has ever been observed as a consequence of women reading erotica. And the genre is hundreds of years old.

And as someone who once analysed romance novels, I'll also add that 50 Shades is derivative in more ways than one. Bodice rippers for instance were all the rage in the 80ies. (Male lead typically kidnaps female lead and rapes or coerces her, she then spends the rest of the book finding out he's not the monster she thinks he is and falls in love with him. Often reforming him in the process. Sound familiar?)

Again, there's a difference - rape fantasies are not uncommon in women but very few women want to act them out in real life. Act. Not actually be raped.

@HoneysuckIejasmine

Funnily enough i read a similar article! Basically it was saying how a women quotes for say a news piece would be quoted as "the daughter of Muhamed so and so" , same as in Britain women used to and sometimes still do, sign off as Mrs John Smith

s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/projects/koran-carla-power/index.html

(Im a bugger for derailing too but it is all part of the bigger picture i suppose!)

What was one of the biggest selling books and film franchise of the last decade? 50 Shades. Essentially a violent porn novel with the lead female character abused by a man. And it was women who were buying it and wetting themselves over it. What message does that send?

Women in general tend to go for written porn rather than visual - they want the narrative. A lot of the romance genre is basically porn though of course there aren't the problems of actresses and such. When I was working at a library there were women who checked out stacks of them every week, and its one of the few parts of the publishing industry that makes money pretty regularly.

It also has the same problem with readers constantly needing something new and a little more kinky to get the same kick - so you get things like weird trends for sex with monsters or dinosaurs or whatever in the stories. Or vampires or werewolves. Lots of scope for kink there. (50 Shades after all is Twilight fan fiction.)

While you don't at all get the industry related problems of filmed pornography, it's not like the women reading this stuff are going to object to the basic concept of getting off to pornographic depictions of sex, even weird sex.

*derail.

Surprisingly easy to find.

www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1AC3F7

Sorry for the detail though!

I was reading an article the other day about a country (I believe middle East area but can't remember) where they talked about how women are not know by their own names, but as "X daughter" or "Y sister", and it's considered shameful and disrespectful to say "my name is Z" because it's not honouring your make family member.

Will try to find it... Not sure I'll manage it though.