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Just been kicked out of a FB group

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FrenchtoEnglish · 05/08/2020 11:26

I was in a FB group (a French one). It was basically a hippy/vegan/spiritual/woke group for parents (serves me right for soddingwell joining!). There was a post about epidurals. To have one or not to have one. A woman wrote something along the lines of "there's a lot of pressure on women to breastfeed and to have a drug-free labor. The most important thing is that the baby comes out and is loved. Women shouldn't put so much pressure on themselves." She was asked by admin to remove all mentions of the word "woman" and replace it with "person" because it was an inclusive group and that trans and non-binary people also give birth.

I wrote how frightening it was that the word "woman" was disappearing and then mock-chastised then for using the word "midwife" everywhere and not changing it to "midperson" because "cis" men and non-binary people and transmen also did this job and that they should check themselves.

Kicked out.

I'm furious. I honestly don't know what to do. I live in the middle of rural France and this whole debate has never really affected me on a personal level, but I have a little girl who's about to start school. I'm worried that this is the sort of shit that's going to go down in biology classes. I'm scared for the future. I really am. How the fuck are these people getting away with it?

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midgebabe · 05/08/2020 12:32

Even the guardian has now decided that saying "women plus others with a uterus" is acceptable

Beamur · 05/08/2020 12:30

You can have male midwives. They're kind of missing the point by a mile in the name of 'kindness'. Well done for challenging this though.
There was a good post recently about this aspect of language and how some aspects of modern discourse are treating words themselves - however they are used as being inherently bad if you're talking about something 'difficult'. It's a very sad state of affairs that the word woman/wife is being twisted into being perceived as transphobic.

FrenchtoEnglish · 05/08/2020 12:29

Sage-femme in French. "Wise woman". It needs to be "sage-personne".

Dickheads.

The thing is, I really don't want to be a transphobe. I've never been "phobe" anything in my life! I've tried my hardest to see it from the other side, but I just can't. I just can't see the word "woman" disappear.

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MrsBromeliad · 05/08/2020 12:26

I'm not the OP but midwife in French is sage femme - literally wise woman!

What a horrible stupid idiotic situation that we cannot use the word woman any more!!!!! My sympathies OP.

NearlyGranny · 05/08/2020 12:22

The tide will turn. It is turning. Hold on, and insist on seeing any and all materials that will be used in your DD's classroom. That's about all you can do for now.

That group is a lost cause at the moment, but the fever will pass. Midwife (in English) means 'with woman' so it would indeed have to change to 'midperson'! What is the French equivalent?