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Audi drops not to subtle paedophile car advert!

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Knoxinbox · 05/08/2020 10:38

There is no way this was just badly thought through.... Hmm

I think this comment sums it up

“Let's add it up: Red=eroticism, sports car=substitute for potency, animal print mini-skirt=sex appeal, banana=phallic symbol. But sure this is all just accidental...”

Do you think this was someone testing the waters so to speak about how society might respond to something like this? I’ve read quite a few things on here about how the MRA has as its core aim to normalise paedophilia as just another sexual preference (eg minor attracted person) and this was what immediately jumped to my mind with this ad.

What do you think??

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StillNotAGirl · 09/08/2020 08:55

Sunrise234
And as Audi is a massive company then surely loads of people would have had to check the advert?

As someone who has worked as a 'troubleshooter' in several companies of similar size to Audi I can state categorically that large companies do not have 'loads of people' checking things like this. Whilst some do try and have various controls in place it is shockingly easy for a forceful individual to push something through. Despite the number of employees the scale of operations mean many employees can be overwhelmed with work and the compartmentalisation of operations means it's can be very hard to challenge things.

The many large corporation scandals and various minor incompetences demonstrate this.

Soubriquet · 09/08/2020 07:27

@coconutwhip

I think if you think that is sexualised it says a lot about you as a person...
Just when we thought we were making headway, someone reads the first posts and undos all the hard work we have done.

We are not paedos. We do not think this is paedo bait.

We do however see it as a stepping stone towards them.

nauticant · 08/08/2020 23:57

It is a subtle and very effective derail. What the motivation might be behind it I can only guess at.

TehBewilderness · 08/08/2020 23:44

Why because I didn’t know what the slang word for sea lion meant?!
Not at all. Because I took you at your word that you are a teacher.

PearPickingPorky · 08/08/2020 23:26

An advert with a nice shiny Audi and a dull grey rock would be effective on this thread, I think.

Sunrise234 · 08/08/2020 23:21

I despair for the educational system.

Why because I didn’t know what the slang word for sea lion meant?!

Ask me about actual sea lions and I’ll be happy to tell you everything I know.
There are many slang words you probably don’t know as they change all the time. Don’t act like we’re in the school playground - like omg do you not even know what this word means duhhh.

I swear some posters only post when it’s the school holidays I wonder why Hmm

TehBewilderness · 08/08/2020 23:07

I despair for the educational system.

Sunrise234 · 08/08/2020 22:35

Knoxinbox

Thank you very much.

I wouldn’t call myself a sea lion as I’ve not asked for any evidence from anyone and more people have asked me questions than I’ve asked them. But I wouldn’t call them seal lions either as surely that’s the point of a discussion thread. I would say I am civil and sincere though because this is a thread for adults to have a civil discussion and if I felt someone was unreasonably uncivil to me then I probably wouldn’t acknowledge them and vice versa. I don’t think there’s any reason to be rude to people just because you have different views as that isn’t going to do any good.

Datun · 08/08/2020 22:34

A picture of a girl and a car is not described as 'every aspect'.

That explanation doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.

nunnun · 08/08/2020 22:31

"However, Mark Kreuzer, an engineer and blogger, tweeted: "Hmm, well for me the message is: Audi RS4 = family car. Just as your own daughter makes your heart beat faster, so does the RS4. And both are of course cool."

If I heard a father say IRL that his daughter made his heart beat faster, I'd be Hmm

Knoxinbox · 08/08/2020 22:25

Top result on google

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Knoxinbox · 08/08/2020 22:23

@coconutwhip

I think if you think that is sexualised it says a lot about you as a person...
Aaaaaaaaand we’re back to this again 🙄🙄🙄

Yeah you’re right, you got me Hmm

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coconutwhip · 08/08/2020 22:18

I think if you think that is sexualised it says a lot about you as a person...

Sunrise234 · 08/08/2020 22:14

If anyone has been directly rude to you on here, report it and it will be removed.
Am sure you can Google sea lioning

Ok thank you for that. I’m not offended easily though so I won’t need to.

It is easier if the person accused me of it explains what it means as they must know. Or someone else who definitely knows. As it’s a slag word I could google it and end up with the wrong definition or more likely have a million pages to do with the marine mammal.

Gurufloof · 08/08/2020 21:56

The fact that I’ve stuck around even though most posters are directly aiming their posts at me and have said very rude things to me is
testament that this is a topic I take very seriously

If anyone has been directly rude to you on here, report it and it will be removed.
Am sure you can Google sea lioning

Sunrise234 · 08/08/2020 21:23

What does sea lion mean?

TehBewilderness · 08/08/2020 21:18

The fact that I’ve stuck around even though most posters are directly aiming their posts at me and have said very rude things to me is testament that this is a topic I take very seriously.
I could have came on here saying these are my views and everyone with a different view can fuck off and then leave the thread but I haven’t.
The term you are looking for is "sea lion".

Sunrise234 · 08/08/2020 21:06

TehBewilderness

The fact that your training has been inadequate is unfortunate. You could have learned something from this discussion had you not been so determinedly committed to maintaining your willful ignorance.

As I’ve said it is not just me who thinks like this. My colleagues and SM happen to be mainly people who work and care for children in various settings and would have had safeguarding training.

The fact that I’ve stuck around even though most posters are directly aiming their posts at me and have said very rude things to me is testament that this is a topic I take very seriously.
I could have came on here saying these are my views and everyone with a different view can fuck off and then leave the thread but I haven’t.

Sunrise234 · 08/08/2020 21:00

Knoxinbox

With every school I’ve worked at there is a team of people working together so there is less chance anything is missed. Unlike some social worker cases where things are missed because only one person is responsible for seeing red flags. In my school everything and anything is flagged even a slightly messy shirt or I brushed hair, a small scratch or bruise, or slight inappropriate banter. This is to build a picture of what’s going on and if it adds up. Those concerns go straight to the entire safeguarding team who all have to decide if it needs to be looked into. If any staff report a certain amount it will go straight to social services and the police. My school is hotter on these things because of the area we are but I would have thought that most schools do this. I can see some teachers not wanting to meet with SS and police and saying this isn’t my job but they should be still flagging things up on the system.

TehBewilderness · 08/08/2020 20:39

I am genuinely interested in the reasons behind why people think it is sexual and why is it that those who have more training in spotting red flags are seemingly more likely to think it is not sexual.

This is a false statement. Those who have more training, and even conduct training for educators, law enforcement, and care givers, are not "more likely to think it not sexual".

The fact that your training has been inadequate is unfortunate. You could have learned something from this discussion had you not been so determinedly committed to maintaining your willful ignorance.

Knoxinbox · 08/08/2020 20:23

@Sunrise234

I don’t hold educators up as the Beacons of safeguarding I’m afraid.

Do you think this about the safeguarding teams in school?

There are literally thousands of schools in the uk. I’m sure some of the safeguarding teams/leads are very committed to their jobs and take the role very seriously (just like some SENCOs do for example). I’m sure there are some who are crap at it (just like I know personally there are crap SENCOs). In addition, if the general teachers don’t recognise or take safeguarding seriously then they won’t refer their concerns to the safeguarding lead in the first place.

What I meant was, at the multidisciplinary safeguarding training I went to, the trainers spent a sizeable portion of time specifically addressing the teachers in the room trying to change the mindset of “I’m here to teach, not to be a social worker. Not my problem to deal with”. They wouldn’t have done that if there wasn’t a reason to?

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Lumene · 08/08/2020 20:04

It’s a shite ad which makes no sense.

Who the hell was it supposed to be appealing to?

WTF is the point?!?

Datun · 08/08/2020 20:02

@Sunrise234

Okay. So on that basis, do you think it's an okay addition to have on that doll?

Why don’t you read my post on the doll. I said I disagree with it and it should be removed from the shelves.

Oh yes, you're right. You think it's dodgy and should be removed, but it's not deliberately dodgy.
Sunrise234 · 08/08/2020 19:48

Okay. So on that basis, do you think it's an okay addition to have on that doll?

Why don’t you read my post on the doll. I said I disagree with it and it should be removed from the shelves.

Sunrise234 · 08/08/2020 19:48

I don’t hold educators up as the Beacons of safeguarding I’m afraid.

Do you think this about the safeguarding teams in school?