For those who have kids at university - wokedom

Got a reply back from the uni

So after saying that Northampton uni has a third set of toilets, I looked on their website to see if they mentioned anything about it, I was quite pleased to read this:

Their provision will see a space they feel comfortable in using, that does not infringe upon the comfort of any other person and should aid in reducing the stress these students have felt on a daily basis.”

www.northampton.ac.uk/news/university-introduces-gender-neutral-toilets-on-campus/

But not so pleased to read this:

treating everyone fairly and equitably regardless of race, colour, ethnic or national origin, gender and gender identity, sexual orientation, age, religious or political beliefs, disability, marital status, pregnancy or maternity, family responsibility and socio-economic standing, membership of professional associations or trade unions.
www.northampton.ac.uk/more/governance-and-management/compliance/equality-and-diversity/

So I think I will write to them

“DD reported with some bemusement that one of her university lecturers tweeted that he'd voted Conservative. Some students reported him for wrongthink. No action was taken by the university, I'm pleased to say. ”

Christ. I’m at university, and I’m a socialist with a shit load of Tory friends. They sometimes say things that make my eyes roll into the back of my head, but they are not usually the devil . I find arguing with them very enlightening actually, and I think they do too. When are people going to learn that the most productive thing to do with people you disagree with is to have a calm debate, not to bloody report them for wrong-think (which, given the nature of purity spirals, is very time and circumstance dependent)

sexual assault of women at festivals presumably by some of the liberal inclusive young people who attend.. hands up who has been sexually assaulted at a festival...p.s I used to go to festivals when you could still climb the fence

"I really missed Glasto this year. Our young folk happy, united, liberal, inclusive, no prejudice having fun. Setting an example to old fuddy duddy bigots.

Setting an example by failing to understand basic biology? Thankfully not all "young folk" are that stupid. Though it's funny how the "liberal, inclusive, no prejudice" thing never seems to extend towards disabled people. Yeah, the inclusion you speak of is all about the poor oppressed men who want to be women isn't it? No room for actual minorities who would benefit from more inclusive attitudes.

^The proof is:
^^
^Person 1: “I define woman to mean anyone who says they are”

^Trans woman: “I am a woman”
^^
^Person 1: “tada! TWAW!”

In a nutshell.

Average age of people attending Glastonbury is 39. People 21-25 make up the largest % at 18%, second highest group people aged 50-71 at 17.5%

HTH

Haha! I was virtually at Woodstock!
Those were the days, my friend, we thought they'd never end...

Yes, we grow older and look back fondly at those carefree days. But actually, they were nothing, and we were pretty silly, stoned off our heads.

"I really missed Glasto this year. Our young folk happy, united, liberal, inclusive, no prejudice having fun. Setting an example to old fuddy duddy bigots.
Theirs is the future. Brings a lump to my throat."

LOL. We did Glastonbury, Stonehenge, the Elephant Fair, etc, long before they were just for the rich kids paying ££££ to get in.

Glasto the vast majority of people are off their face on drugs and the amount of litter left is sickening.

I appreciate you can have a magical time, meet great people, & the music is good.

But please dont pretend that it contributes more to society than that.

Yes festivals are great!

Quite different to policy making about boring old prisons and things like that.

Im not a transphobe, someone i went to school with is now known by a womans name and dresses as a woman. Which is fine, live however you want. But the idea that if he commited a crime he would go to a womans prison is ludicrous. Tbf he has been gay since primary school so he is no danger to women. But as a 6foot plus quite obviously originally male (still is, he has never had surgery hence me using the he pronouns) he could intimidate women who could have had a traumatic background.

I think a better solution is having solely male / female spaces PLUS gender neutral spaces.

I have every sympathy with things that some trans people suffer. But that does not give us carte blanche to first ignore basic biology, or potentially put women in danger.

Funny how we never hear "trans men are men"....

I really missed Glasto this year. Our young folk happy, united, liberal, inclusive, no prejudice having fun. Setting an example to old fuddy duddy bigots.
Theirs is the future. Brings a lump to my throat.

It's ironic that this 'people are who they say they are' nonsense is the complete opposite of the safeguarding rules we tell children when they start using the internet.

Anyway, if 'people are who they say they are', they ought to listen when we say 'I am not a transphobe' and 'I am not a cis'. Do they? Do they buggery.

One of the reasons I decided to train and work in the NHS after leaving school was that people would see me as a kind and caring type (only realising this decades later) - I so wish I'd done something more suited to my introverted nature.

I thought I was invincible at 18. I remember my grandfather trying to tell me it wasn't safe to travel to a city near them and me completely poo-poo ing him. He was over reacting (I'd travelled to London alone and knew not to go out at night on my own) but the idea that I was more vulnerable as a young woman was just prejudice, to me.

@FWRLurker

I am a cat.

My dog is a mouse.

My hamster is a lion.

Its fucking ludicrous isnt it.

DD reported with some bemusement that one of her university lecturers tweeted that he'd voted Conservative. Some students reported him for wrongthink. No action was taken by the university, I'm pleased to say.

There does seem to be an idea that all good people believe exactly the same thing.

Since slavery has been mentioned, it's notable that many anti-slavery campaigners were motivated by strong religious convictions. Many of their other views could be considered offensive now, but it doesn't mean they were wrong about slavery.

The proof is:

Person 1: “I define woman to mean anyone who says they are”

Trans woman: “I am a woman”

Person 1: “tada! TWAW!”

*You don't need to be 'diverse' when saying that the Earth goes round the Sun, that gravity makes things fall, that fire is hot and water is wet.

It would be interesting to know how it is possible to have 'diverse views' when stating simple scientific truth. Science doesn't care what you feel.*

Exactly. Can someone explain the science behind TWAW? As in is it a scientifically proven statement. We can prove gravity makes things fall. We can prove the different weights and densitys of various liquids & solids etc.
Where is the PROOF that TWAW? "Because i say so" is not an answer. That just makes it an opinion, not a fact.

The way JKR was treated was appalling, half of the twitterati mindlessly bleating TWAW

I think all the wokeness comes from a place of ideology, a place where misogyny doesn’t exist. It’s a shame the youth can grasp the idea of oppression and privilege when it comes to BLM, but they can’t grasp it when it comes to understanding the history of how men have treated women

Totally this @BrummyMum1

You can only believe the "most oppressed in the world rhetoric" if you ignore 50% of the world's population, the majority of whom are brown and don't live in the UK, USA, or Europe.

And if you deliberately overlook the femicide, rape, and general oppression that 50% of the world's population experiences simply because they are female.

It would be interesting to know how it is possible to have 'diverse views' when stating simple scientific truth. Science doesn't care what you feel.

Dd is completely twaw. And had a time when she thought she might like to transition herself. I don’t discuss it as it would end in tears. I turn the conversation to environmental issues, which, to my mind, are more important and dd and I can at least agree.