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William Shatner

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Dragonglass · 04/08/2020 17:57

Has anyone seen William Shatner's twitter? He is arguing against the use of cis and how it is an insult. He seems to be doing quite well too.

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DialSquare · 05/08/2020 00:48

Well I don't know about you but I was only thinking of myself when I chose my user name. What other people think of it is no concern to me.

Spinachfinger · 05/08/2020 00:48

[quote Littlemeadow123]@Spinachfinger

Telling someone that how they identify makes them less of a woman? You wouldn't tell someone that being gay makes them less of a person would you?[/quote]
Who said that?? I certainly didnt. I'm not sure how you've comprehended that from anything on this thread.

I think you're having us on.

Spinachfinger · 05/08/2020 00:46

[quote Littlemeadow123]@Spinachfinger

No, you wouldn't use the word cis to describe me in any of those circumstances. But if you wouldn't use the term gay, lesbian etc in those circumstances either but we still have labels for that. Why do I have to explain myself anyway? I'm not asking you to explain why you don't identify as cis. Live and let live.[/quote]
No, you're not asking me to explain myself but I think the word cis is best left in academia and not every day life.

Littlemeadow123 · 05/08/2020 00:45

@DialSquare

Doesn't accept Cis for herself? In which case, fair enough. Or doesn't accept people who identify as cis .

Littlemeadow123 · 05/08/2020 00:43

@Spinachfinger

Telling someone that how they identify makes them less of a woman? You wouldn't tell someone that being gay makes them less of a person would you?

Littlemeadow123 · 05/08/2020 00:42

@Spinachfinger

No, you wouldn't use the word cis to describe me in any of those circumstances. But if you wouldn't use the term gay, lesbian etc in those circumstances either but we still have labels for that. Why do I have to explain myself anyway? I'm not asking you to explain why you don't identify as cis. Live and let live.

Spinachfinger · 05/08/2020 00:41

[quote Littlemeadow123]@nocisallwoman With a user name like No cis all woman? What am I supposed to think?[/quote]
That this is the Internet and people have different points of view to you?

DialSquare · 05/08/2020 00:40

[quote Littlemeadow123]@nocisallwoman With a user name like No cis all woman? What am I supposed to think?[/quote]
That the user doesn't accept cis. Woman is enough. But obviously in your world it was chosen to deliberately offend you. Must be exhausting for you.

Littlemeadow123 · 05/08/2020 00:37

@nocisallwoman With a user name like No cis all woman? What am I supposed to think?

Spinachfinger · 05/08/2020 00:36

Oh sorry, I realise that wasn't a question aimed at me Blush.

YgritteSnow · 05/08/2020 00:36

What is wrong with saying cis and trans to describe whether or not you identify with the gender you were born with?

Well I don't want to and that's that really.

ItsLateHumpty · 05/08/2020 00:36

I’m loving Shattners’ twitter fire, he is not happy with cis Star

twitter.com/WilliamShatner/status/1290771606118096896

julian @lazzarusrising
Replying to @WilliamShatner
This is disappointing as hell. Trans and cis are just descriptors, not categories of people. It’s on you if you think cis is a term of harassment 🤷🏻‍♂️

William Shatner @WilliamShatner
Why would you use “descriptors” like those in tweets towards others if it isn’t negative & exclusionary? Those are terms you certainly can use to self describe yourself & put in your bio, Calling someone a CIS man or CIS woman in a tweet means you’re trying to segregate them.

Princess Chino @AlienGhoullie
Replying to @WilliamShatner
Never would have thought you would be like this towards people who are different, didn't think all those years of teaching us how to accept aliens and life forms as part of the universe would come to not accepting people of our own species. What a let down

William Shatner @WilliamShatner
What a complete let down that people use that term mostly to harass I object to the labeling of others by the woke or whatever higher plain of thought you think you are a member of. You are getting upset at me for nonlabeling & demanding I label people? 🙄 Fine you are craycray 🤷🏼‍♂️

Spinachfinger · 05/08/2020 00:34

[quote Littlemeadow123]@NoCisAllWoman

Or so being cis means that I am less of a woman. Do you know anything about the way cis people think or feel?[/quote]
You've taken something I've said and completely twisted it. Seems a common thing on social media these days. I can't even began to try and break down the logic of what you just asked me. I have no issue with calling you cis but it would never occur to me to do so and physically you probably have the same attributes as me Hmm

OldCrone · 05/08/2020 00:32

@Littlemeadow123

What is wrong with saying cis and trans to describe whether or not you identify with the gender you were born with? It's similar to saying straight, gay, bisexual etc to describe your sexuality.
What do you mean by 'identify with the gender you were born with'? Nobody is born with a gender. What are you identifying with?
Spinachfinger · 05/08/2020 00:31

See? Look how easily offended you are when an an internet random says cis is silly. I have no qualms with calling you cis but I don't actually envisage a situation irl where i would ever need to use that as a descriptor.

Example 1: I'm a first aider. If a cis woman went into cardiac arrest and I had to administer CPR, I'm pretty certain when the emergency services had been called, I would just describe the patient as a 'female, in cardiac arrest, unresponsive, etc'. Wouldnt enter my head to stick cis in there.

Example 2: If I saw a man mugging a woman on the street and had to report it to the police I would say "male, aged approx mid 30s/40, etc etc". Again no need for the word cis.

Example 3: meeting a lovely person and discussing with a friend. "Oh I met X yesterday, what a lovely woman she is, blah blah blah"

I just cannot envisage when I would ever use the term.... seems kind of redundant. If you want to label yourself crack on, but to me, if you looked like a woman and I had no idea of your labelling preferences, I would describe you as a woman if it came up in conversation generally.

Littlemeadow123 · 05/08/2020 00:23

@NoCisAllWoman

Or so being cis means that I am less of a woman. Do you know anything about the way cis people think or feel?

Littlemeadow123 · 05/08/2020 00:21

@Spinachfinger

Oh because that's really respectful isn't it. I'm cis and if that makes me silly then fair enough. I've never told anyone on here they are silly for not identifying as cis but asking for the same kindness is obviously too much.

Spinachfinger · 05/08/2020 00:19

[quote Littlemeadow123]@TheWordWomanIsTaken

Why do people need to be straight? Or gay? Or bi? Or non-binary? Or lesbians? Or Transeuxals?

Maybe we should do away with all labels and just be humans.[/quote]
Cracking idea!

Littlemeadow123 · 05/08/2020 00:18

Transsexuals.

Spinachfinger · 05/08/2020 00:18

Just read on Wikipedia that it was a term used by medical academics in the 90s in journals about transgender people. The terms cisgender and cissexual. The term cisgender was added to the Oxford dictionary in 2013.

I can understand why the phrase would be used in an academic sense but to use it irl just seems silly.

Littlemeadow123 · 05/08/2020 00:18

@TheWordWomanIsTaken

Why do people need to be straight? Or gay? Or bi? Or non-binary? Or lesbians? Or Transeuxals?

Maybe we should do away with all labels and just be humans.

Spinachfinger · 05/08/2020 00:14

Where did this phrase even come from and when did it start? Was it used 10 years ago? 5 years ago?

Never heard of it til about 2 years ago and that was from reading threads on here.

NoCisAllWoman · 05/08/2020 00:13

Littlemeadow123 I've got the impressions several times off mumsnet that referring to MYSELF as cis is wrong.

No one has said that to you in this thread. Clearly.

Really surprised that Shatner has spoken out, his Twatter bio does mention that he has 3 daughters, maybe that makes a difference? Good for him.

TheWordWomanIsTaken · 05/08/2020 00:13

[quote Littlemeadow123]@Ereshkigalangcleg

That is what I meant. There is nothing wrong with the word cis as long as people only apply it to themselves or to be people they know for a fact identify as cis and therefore don't mind being called that. But there are some people who seem to think that the word should be wiped off the face of the Earth. People on here are saying that they don't want to be called cis. Fair enough, you are not cis. But that doesn't mean that other individuals can't identify as cis. You can't tell me that I must label myself as 'just a woman'. I respect people's right to not be labelled as cis. Do me the same courtesy. I'm cis.[/quote]
Why do you need to 'identify' as cis?
That's a serious question - not intended to be goady.
I simply don't understand it.

Littlemeadow123 · 05/08/2020 00:12

'^^Thank you, Littlemeadow123. You are signalling where you’re coming from: that you’re identifying yourself as not-trans because for you, trans is the measure, there is a state to be transing over or from - and it’s great that you recognise why not everyone wants to be identified that way.'

You see what I mean about people not always being pleasant about individuals who identify as cis. @BluebonicPlague You are making assumptions about my reasons for identifying as cis (by the way, you have missed the mark). And I say that I am cis. You automatically call me 'Not trans'. Tbh that whole post was a bit patronising and derogatory.