William Shatner

I am impressed Rufus that you had a tribble! Was it any trouble at all

There was No trouble with my tribble

As you know the trouble with tribbles is actually tribbles

I had a solo tribble

Message of the day. I agree with every word. Cutting and pasting into my best clips from MN folder.

Same as I might refer to someone as bisexual but I wouldn't use pansexual, regardless of what someone calls them-self.

Me neither. It's an extra identity label founded in gender identity ideology. Bisexual is the sexual orientation, and it covers being attracted to all flavours of gender identity.

And frankly, this belief in having a gender is truly like having a religion. While technically you can go around and say people might be Christian or non-Christian, saying that centres Christianity in that discussion. Is that being ‘kind’?

This. An atheist would deeply resent a belief that they both rejected and thought was harmful being centred. And so do I. I'm not centring this ideology in anything to do with me.

[quote Littlemeadow123]@NoCisAllWoman

Or so being cis means that I am less of a woman. Do you know anything about the way cis people think or feel?[/quote]
For me the term "cis" is redundant and often insulting and dismissive (as many OPs and Shatner! have pointed out). My choice of username reflects my feelings on this - not yours Littlemeadow123. Stop projecting, stop assuming that people disagreeing with your opinions makes you a victim, that we're forcing our opinions on you (that's not how we think here).

Btw, how many cis people do you know exactly, to ask them how they think or feel about womanhood? Answer that, before asking me if I know anything about cis people...

Same as I might refer to someone as bisexual but I wouldn't use pansexual, regardless of what someone calls them-self.

Honestly, it's quite simple to me - I won't refer to someone as cis because I don't believe it exists. Obviously I believe people who call themselves cis exist, I'm not wishing you (general you) away like a fairy, but I do not subscribe to that belief-system myself.

Actually scratch that - I may refer to someone as "self identified as cis", purely because it makes their beliefs nice and clear.

I knew he was still with us but I am amazed and delighted. Always imagined him as a coke addled old celeb , basking in the dim glow of his own ego. God forgive me !

I am impressed Rufus that you had a tribble! Was it any trouble at all?

I did like Shatner. But I am more of a Jean Luc fan to be fair.

However, I think I love William Shatner now!! He has nailed it indeed.

My issue with cis is that it means ‘non-trans’ while hetero actually has a real purpose in positively describing attraction. And historic application of being used as well. Hetero does not mean ‘not gay’.

Therefore, does ‘cis’ have use at all for humans outside of academia? For example to use another dysmorphia. Do we call people without anorexia ‘non-anorexic’ people?

And frankly, this belief in having a gender is truly like having a religion. While technically you can go around and say people might be Christian or non-Christian, saying that centres Christianity in that discussion. Is that being ‘kind’?

Like Shatner, I have come to the believe the term is used negatively to harass. If you want to pin that label on yourself, go for it. If you are talking to people in real life, and you refer to them in that way and you don’t know them, then it is not appropriate.

I know very few people in real life who believe they have a gender identity at all and who would think cis applies to them.

Littlemeadow are you not bothered at all that you are now relegated to a subset by a group of people who are not actually women claiming that label?

Personally, I'm not bothered about being a member of a subset. I'm bothered about being a subset of a set that nobody can define, rendering all discussion of any set meaningless for legislative and medical purposes.

I’ve never laughed aloud so much as when I read his book, Up Til Now. Had to stop reading it on the train, it was becoming embarrassing.

I would watch that, it looks entertaining!

Shatner is a character, did anyone see the show where he went traveling with henry winkler oh and another very funny guy whose name escapes me...great show

No, but it sounds good - this one?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BetterLateeThanNeverr(TV_series)

Thanks! I wasn’t sure what mike hind meant about “you don’t risk suspension only for asserting the biological basis of sex on twitter” as plenty have been so couldn’t work out whether he was being sincere or ironic!

Sounds sincere to me, as he's picked such a revealing example of how Twitter moderation works.

very dismissive.

cis-privilege - the idea that women have it way easier than men who identify as women.

Maybe it's just my perception but it is almost sneery.

It's not just you.

nauticant, thanks for the twitter link! I’ve now read it. I think Shatner is more annoyed at being accused of white straight male privilege than making a stand to defend women, but for a Canadian to express any anti woke heresy is wonderful!
And yes, he may be mindful of his daughters future, but as he’s 89 now (yes, I know!) I think it would be granddaughters or even great granddaughters he’d be worried about!

Maybe it's just my perception but it is almost sneery

It can be very dismissive

Oh good

I rarely post without reading further but it does happen...but its very pleasant for my post to still be relevant

I liked star trek and still have a fondness for william shatner et al (the tribbles being my favourite...i even used to have a tribble)

Shatner is a character, did anyone see the show where he went traveling with henry winkler oh and another very funny guy whose name escapes me...great show

Calling a woman cisgender is an insult. It means she accepts the vile gender stereotypes associated with being female in a patriarchal society- that she is comfortable with being oppressed, underpaid, sexually assaulted, regarded as hysterical, emotional, weak and empty headed, interested only in fashion and make up. That she should only aspire to children and housework, and defer to males.
Gender is a totally artificial social construct, unlike sex which is fixed at conception and unchangeable for life.
No feminist woman would ever accept a cis label - we reject the entire concept of gender roles. We are women purely because of our XX chromosomes, and we have nothing else in common with each other except our biology and oppression.
Our personalities, characteristics and skills are completely diverse, and include everything that gender stereotyping would consider male.
This is why using the cis word is offensive.

Littlemeadow are you not bothered at all that you are now relegated to a subset by a group of people who are not actually women claiming that label?

[quote Littlemeadow123]@Rufusthesniggeringreindeer

I've already said that you shouldn't force labels onto people. But at the same time, you shouldn't tell people not to identify as cis if they want to. I am cis. I've had people on here tell me not to call myself that, which is quite frankly, a fine example of pot and kettle. They are telling me how I should identify myself.[/quote]
I understand that you have a problem with people telling you what to call yourself and that you don’t have an issue with other people refusing the label

Im only on page 2 so something may have changed as i read so i apologise if it has

But I don’t think anyone here SO FAR has told you that you can’t call yourself cis