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William Shatner

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Dragonglass · 04/08/2020 17:57

Has anyone seen William Shatner's twitter? He is arguing against the use of cis and how it is an insult. He seems to be doing quite well too.

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TyroSaysMeow · 05/08/2020 15:03

Fair warning for anyone going looking for the Shatnerian Rhapsody: there's a still in the video in which his Starfleet-issue skintight swimming trunks leave nothing to the imagination.

Guessing it's going to be crickets as usual on the demonstrable harm to others of promoting the cis/trans binary by identifying within it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/08/2020 15:02

Cutting and pasting into my best clips from MN folder.

I need one of these! Organised by subject

Winesalot · 05/08/2020 15:02

Oh yes. spinach I agree with you. I think that the community is well aware of the emptiness of the term, the negativity of its use here. I suspect that is very much why they wield it so aggressively.

If the person using it understands that it is a ‘non’ word and uses anyway, it is exactly like the power of having scientists and medical practitioners saying sex is a spectrum and this 2+2=4.

It is all about power. And that if you repeat these like mantras, they take it as proof.

Spinachfinger · 05/08/2020 15:00

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merrymouse · 05/08/2020 14:59

It wasn't that long ago that we didn't use words like straight, bisexual, non-binary, asexual etc but we do now. I guess that we are all a brainwashed cult!

You are mixing up different concepts. Straight, bisexual and asexual have clear meanings. They are words that refer to sexual attraction. 'Straight' is a bit offensive, because it implies a value judgement, but its meanings is at least clear.

'non-binary' only has meaning if you believe in the concept of gender, so does relate to a belief system. Whether that means you believe in a cult depends on your definition of cult.

Spinachfinger · 05/08/2020 14:58

@TyroSaysMeow

From the YouTube suggestions it looks like he's done Bohemian Rhapsody too.
I forgot about this gem.
thehumanformerlyknownasfemale · 05/08/2020 14:56

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TyroSaysMeow · 05/08/2020 14:54

From the YouTube suggestions it looks like he's done Bohemian Rhapsody too.

Spinachfinger · 05/08/2020 14:46

@Winesalot, I'm glad we can both see the word 'cis' for what it is and where it may be applicable. It is silly to use it as a descriptor in on ordinary setting. I can see how it is suited to academic studies.

JamieLeeCurtains · 05/08/2020 14:39

[quote Spinachfinger]@JamieLeeCurtains yes, he did the real slim shady too Grin[/quote]
That makes me very happy.

Winesalot · 05/08/2020 14:36

Sorry spinach. I am on my phone today and can’t be arsed flicking back and forth.

Spinachfinger · 05/08/2020 14:36

@MNHQ deleting all my posts. If you could show me where hate speech has been posted please do tell.

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Winesalot · 05/08/2020 14:35

Apologies.

Did you understand why I feel it is very different to describing sexual orientation with ‘hetero’, ‘homo’, ‘bi’ and ‘a’? Did you understand why something being used meaning ‘non-trans’ makes this a negative word as it only describes what it is NOT!!

That should read.

Spinachfinger · 05/08/2020 14:33

@Winesalot, I said the same thing too in an earlier post.

Winesalot · 05/08/2020 14:31

it is you Spinachfingerwho who is insisting that cis belongs in academia.

I think that was me. And I may have not explained clearly that the usage of the word ‘cis’ was always about it being a negative word. Did you understand why I feel it is very different to describing sexual orientation with ‘hetero’, ‘homo’, ‘bi’ and ‘a’?

Doesn’t matter if you don’t agree. As long as you can see my reasoning.

Spinachfinger · 05/08/2020 14:24

[quote Littlemeadow123]@Spinachfinger.

See. Rude. I have never referred to your beliefs as being bullshit. Have a nice day. Life is too short for this.[/quote]
That's cos my beliefs are rooted in science and grounded in reality.

Spinachfinger · 05/08/2020 14:23

@JamieLeeCurtains yes, he did the real slim shady too Grin

Spinachfinger · 05/08/2020 14:22

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JamieLeeCurtains · 05/08/2020 14:21

Is that really William Shatner voicing Common People??!

DialSquare · 05/08/2020 14:20

@DialSquare

It seems I'm shapephobic Spinach!
Particularly with circular.
Littlemeadow123 · 05/08/2020 14:20

@Spinachfinger.

See. Rude. I have never referred to your beliefs as being bullshit. Have a nice day. Life is too short for this.

JamieLeeCurtains · 05/08/2020 14:19

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Spinachfinger · 05/08/2020 14:18

But if you don't want to accept me that's fine. I dont accept your bullshit. Its nonsense.

Littlemeadow123 · 05/08/2020 14:18

I've said all along that I don't care if people don't want to be labelled as cis. You want me to accept that, I do. I ACCEPT that you are not cis. But ever since I've said that I am cis, I've had plenty of abuse and people trying to tell me that cis is null and void. That it means I have zero self respect. That I can't be cis and be a proper woman. That I am brainwashed. All because I have a different opinion to you. Just because I stuck up for myself against these comments doesn't mean that I was being rude. It is you@Spinachfingerwho is insisting that cis belongs in academia. It is YOU who is trying to force your belief system onto me. It is YOU who is not being accepting. It is YOU who started flinging insults like brainwashed about. But if you don't want to accept me that's fine.

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