William Shatner

Meanwhile, OT, there's famously no love lost between Shatner and Takei. I have no idea where the truth lies. But RIP Leonard Nimoy:

Ah this is heartening. Bill gives no fucks.

@imhereforthesanity

I'd never call someone cis, unless they referred to themselves like that. My trans friends only started calling me cis after they heard me call myself that. An even then they asked if I was ok if with them calling me that.

Beam me up Scotty. The world has gone mad and I want to get off.

@ErrolTheDragon The original post did come over a bit anti-cis but maybe I'm just being a bit sensitive because I have received abuse before from people on mumsnet over it. And yes, I am a trekkie

[quote Littlemeadow123]@Rufusthesniggeringreindeer

I've already said that you shouldn't force labels onto people. But at the same time, you shouldn't tell people not to identify as cis if they want to. I am cis. I've had people on here tell me not to call myself that, which is quite frankly, a fine example of pot and kettle. They are telling me how I should identify myself.[/quote]
Thank you, Littlemeadow123. You are signalling where you’re coming from: that you’re identifying yourself as not-trans because for you, trans is the measure, there is a state to be transing over or from - and it’s great that you recognise why not everyone wants to be identified that way.

I've also been enjoying his tweet!

I'm not a lover of cis @Littlemeadow123, I personally find it offensive. I didn't find it so a few years ago, but it feels to me like an insult now. But like everyone says, if you are comfortable then fine. But I would always check with women if they are happy to be referred to as cis beforehand and I'd tell your trans friends to do the same. It's the polite thing to do in today's crazy world.

Boldly going where no man has gone before...
Well, some have, a bit, I suppose.

Anyway... back to James Tiberius...

@Blibbyblobby

I've got the impressions several times off mumsnet that referring to MYSELF as cis is wrong. I don't care if others don't want to be referred to as cis but I do care about people telling me how I should or shouldn't identify myself.

Most people on here are saying you can call yourself what you want so I don't know why you keep labouring the point, littlemeadow.

But surely the real question on this thread should be, are you a Trekkie?

@DialSquare

I don't have a probably with people not wanting to be called cis. I do have a problem with people telling me not to call myself cis. Maybe I worded myself badly at the beginning but this is essentially what I have been trying to say.

@Rufusthesniggeringreindeer

I've already said that you shouldn't force labels onto people. But at the same time, you shouldn't tell people not to identify as cis if they want to. I am cis. I've had people on here tell me not to call myself that, which is quite frankly, a fine example of pot and kettle. They are telling me how I should identify myself.

I know this has been said many times before but I'm always bemused by the people who demand we all respect a persons lived experience and call them what they want be called but don't feel the respect should go both ways when being told we don't accept Cis.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

That is what I meant. There is nothing wrong with the word cis as long as people only apply it to themselves or to be people they know for a fact identify as cis and therefore don't mind being called that. But there are some people who seem to think that the word should be wiped off the face of the Earth. People on here are saying that they don't want to be called cis. Fair enough, you are not cis. But that doesn't mean that other individuals can't identify as cis. You can't tell me that I must label myself as 'just a woman'. I respect people's right to not be labelled as cis. Do me the same courtesy. I'm cis.

[quote Littlemeadow123]@ErrolTheDragon What about other kinds of labels that we use. Gay? Straight? Bisexual? Homosexual? Lesbian? Heterosexual? Heck, even things like Extrovert, Introvert, Ambivert are labels. Should we stop using them too? Or is it just because cis is linked to trans.[/quote]
Its really not difficult

Dont force labels on to other people

Why the confusion?

Calling me cis is a bit like putting me down as CofE as I haven't expressed adherence to any other religion.
I.e. Sod off, I'm an atheist. And a gender-atheist too.

agree that is wrong to assume that someone is cis, but I don't see anything wrong with someone calling themselves cis if that is the case. My trans friends call me cis, because they know that is the case. And I don't mind

If you want to label yourself in any way, that's up to you. But don't impose it on others, please. We don't all share your beliefs.

You see, I am not trans at all and have never given any thought to my gender identity whatever.

But if I were to do so, I don't think I could happily call myself 'cis' - I am very uncomfortable in that gender role. For instance, I hate wearing make up, dresses and high heals. I feel very uncomfortable when dressed up - for instance, at a wedding - when I catch sight of myself in a mirror I don't see myself, I see an imposter, and am unhappy in that skin.

In my house, I am the breadwinner, the decision maker, older than my husband. I am not a mother.

So, I am definitely not 'cis', but if I am not trans either, what am I?

Well, just a woman. A normal woman. And I don't need any other identifier....

What is wrong with saying cis and trans to describe whether or not you identify with the gender you were born with? It's similar to saying straight, gay, bisexual etc to describe your sexuality.

I don’t care if you identify as cis. But I would find it extremely offensive if you called me cis because it means you define me as a member of a group that includes transwomen but excludes transmen, and that isn’t how I define myself.