Today’s witch burning - Rosie Duffield MP

@Iamhangingin I’m so sorry to hear that. The obesity drive is so misconceived, isn’t it, and so potentially harmful. I often find myself at a loss to understand the state of the world as well!

I believe Diane Abbott is mixed up in it somehow by now, although that may just be because people love being horrible to Diane Abbott.

@Datun it does seem to have achieved new heights of being ridiculous, but I don’t think it has jumped the shark yet, simply because you do have to stop and think for about two seconds before the ridiculousness becomes clear. It’s much easier to be viewed as nice, kind and inclusive by making changes in language, or accepting them, because you think it doesn’t affect you. If you don’t think about it at all, it’s quite easy to accept something like “a woman is whoever says they are a woman” and much harder to stop and think to yourself, but wait, that still doesn’t define woman! Especially when doing that will make you liable to be called transphobic and be blocked/bullied/excluded.

'We expect the party whips to take this forward, and the Labour Complaints Team to take forward the numerous complaints we know of already. However, transphobia in our party will not be pushed out by disciplinary procedures alone. We need education and engagement to build understanding and solidarity towards trans people at every level of the party; including MPs, the leadership, party staff, and ordinary CLP members. To this end we reiterate our desire to engage with the party and its leadership to discuss how Labour can address the rising tide of transphobia and build a party that genuinely supports trans people.'

Labour LGBT statement:

labour-trans.org/news/lctr-statement-on-the-comments-of-rosie-duffield-mp/

I saw one man saying "I'm her constituent, and I have a right to see her twitter"

Ah so shes in the wrong for locking down her twitter to try and stem the abuse she is recieving somewhat? Maybe they should stop with the rape threats and such, and then ma\ybe she wouldn't have to lock her account?! Just a thought.

We must be able to abuse you, and you are wrong if you do anything to try and stop this.

Lovely.

Some men have a cervix = transmen have a cervix

Such a silly line of argument really. As..well, we all know transmen are female, even if they like to be called 'men'. So it really really is not the gotchya that they seem to think it is, at all. And more and more seem to be pointing this out recently. Definitely times are a changin'

So many raging at hr on her timeline. Particularly men.

I saw one man saying "I'm her constituent, and I have a right to see her twitter"

No mate! She's you're MP, you don't own her. She has every right to go private for a short time in the face of relentless abuse. Contact her in the usual way if you want to know her views on a parliamentary matter.

For a survivor of domestic abuse to be subjected to this is worse.

And do you know what? She's parroted "TWAW" along with the best of Labour women MPs - it's still not enough. It's never enough.

Just shows that the general public often thinks (quite sensibly) that trans men are men who identify as women, and that trans women are women that identity as men. I suspect that is why so many women are supportive of trans women using women's spaces.

Yes, this has long been a problem.

With a lot of this stuff, people simply do not know whats being said..maybe as the meanings of words appear to have been changed to mean the opposite without anyone being told this!

Many many people also..think gender is simply a 'polite' way of saying sex. This is where many of the problems have sprung from IMO.

I honestly think we're very close to a tipping point here. Things are teetering and people are opening their eyes.
I agree
the Daily Fail is also covering the deed poll issue about "dead naming"

the biological reality of who people actually are is becoming the key point again

This is interesting (as well as predictable and awful). Rosie Duffield is my MP and i have written to her a few times on GRA issues and asking if she thought I should be expelled from the Labour Party for supporting WPUK. I never received a reply from her, which I took to mean she did not support GC views - maybe I was wrong? Maybe she has held GC views all along, but never wanted to put it in writing...well, that didn't do her much good in the end.
On a broader note, one of the reasons I think TRAs are determined to get people to admit that men do have cervix, is so that later they can claim that men should routinely be allowed to carry out cervical smear tests. After all, why not? If men need smear tests too, who could possibly object to that?

She is correct.

Sadly the TRA shout/scream/rage and appear to get their own way. Some also threaten the most awful things to women who suggest only women have cervixes etc etc

Why do other women put up with this I wonder? There are enough women to stand up for the women who merely speak biological fact

He was disgusted by the idea of having sex with a person who wasn't wasn't male, the basis was biology not identity for his preference.

Yes transphobic.

I honestly think we're very close to a tipping point here. Things are teetering and people are opening their eyes.

Isn't LOJ himself a transphobe? I think he's said he wouldn't have a sexual relationship with a transman. Or am I wrong? I think I read that but might've confused him with someone else.

Homeless people have high rates of suicide. Why aren't they housed. If we're concerned about preventing suicide, they should be.

I guess this is the start of what the left wing people always wanted, an end to free speech. People in positions of power and influence (not you) will decide which opinions are and aren’t acceptable and there will be consequences for an opinion that not acceptable to the powers that be. Perhaps this will be a crime in the future? This is the world I though the liberal left always wanted? Anyway I think a twitter mob is just the start. In the future I expect expressing certain opinions will result in long prison sentences.

'Can you imagine Starmer having to get off the fence about this one? He won't of course. It will all be "very sensitive and difficult" and he'll talk about being kind and respectful'

Well bloody SHAME on him if he does. FFS, the women just stated biological fact. Stand up for your people, Starmer, for heaven's sake!

Rosie Duffield is a Labour MP. Have any other Labour MPs showed any support for her ?

Do read the link nauticant put up, I think biological reality is starting to shine through.

Yes, good to see that a lot of people have had enough, or the penny is just starting to drop.

But shits like LOJ seem to be everywhere, and there's a new generation of them coming into politics. That terrifies me.

Welcome Cecile

CeciledeVolanges

I can relate and agree with everything in your post. I nearly 40 now and still struggle with my eating disorder (which has got so much worse with covid lock down and now the obesity drive). Appart from brief in house treatment at an eating disorders clinic in my teens I have had no help from the NHS. I can't understand how the world is how it is right now?

And it's shocking that female MP's have to put up with this misogynistic crap in 2020!!! Why?!

Thank you @Collidascope @testing987654321 and @Kit19

Off to read nauticant’s post now.

Honestly, the people running complaints departments for political parties must be sick of the never ending barrage of transphobia accusations.

Any patience with this must be long gone, it's time wasting and stupid. It's like listening to insanity on steroids.

They won't stop until everyone simply blanks them.

Unbelievable.

Which party is the lady an MP for?

I can't help thinking the shark is getting well and truly jumped here, though.

Anyone, with an ounce of decency, can see the abuse happening.

The more people who realise that they will be called transphobic for stating biological reality, the better, in my opinion.

The rank misogyny behind it is obvious to anyone with eyes and ears. And it's interesting that there is a perception that Rosie knew exactly what she was saying.

More and more women are saying it.

Just shows that the general public often thinks (quite sensibly) that trans men are men who identify as women, and that trans women are women that identity as men. I suspect that is why so many women are supportive of trans women using women's spaces.

I was just laughing at Gary Lineker's tweet about bringing all his friends with him to the FA Cup final, and wondering why he never got all this flack - or maybe not