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Today’s witch burning - Rosie Duffield MP

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Kit19 · 01/08/2020 15:50

has had to lock down her Twitter account after being inundated with hate for saying women have cervix’s

The TRA are now spamming labour with complaints about her transphobia & demands she is sacked

I’m planning to email my support fir her copying in Keir Starmer

(And yes of course LOJ is involved!)

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SetYourselfOnFire · 02/08/2020 23:48

Rapinoe went out on top and kicked the ladder away for other women climbing after her. It's depressing as hell how many lesbians have betrayed other lesbians to placate trans (male, always male) wankery. I keep a list. This is why I don't trust anyone anymore.

doublehalo · 02/08/2020 19:41

Honestly, it's so fucking stupid it defies description.

Well done Rosie Duffield.

ListeningQuietly · 02/08/2020 19:30

I do wish the Olympics had happened
because the bubose would have popped

DianasLasso · 02/08/2020 19:29

Another one - Australian national women's team beaten 7-0 by under 15s boys' squad: www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3609949/Matildas-lose-7-0-Newcastle-Jets-15s-Rio-Olympics-warm-up.html

There's a reason we have single sex sports, with the emphasis on sex.

Portnlemon · 02/08/2020 19:27

I think Jess has simply reiterated the nonsensical position that the shouters of transphobia at everything have put Labour in whereby they have to support both the shouters and acknowledge that women can think otherwise if they wish.

It's pathetic.

DianasLasso · 02/08/2020 19:25

Rapinoe's retired now, so no longer has skin in the game, so to speak. But I still reckon she'd have sung a different tune if there had been a high profile trans midfielder who threatened her place. Or if the US women's team had found themselves competing against this team.

In case you're thinking "okay, Iran is crap at football, I quite fancy the US women's teams chances against them even if 8 or them have XY chromosomes, remember a few years back when a non-league team - I think it was Farnham - had a good FA cup run and went on a training camp to Spain as a reward from their coach, where they encountered the England women's team training for the world cup. They challenged them to a friendly, and won - and England women weren't bad - they had a top 8 finish in the world cup that year, I think. Or this (sorry, Sun link) from 2 years ago when a Salford youth academy boy's team beat the Manchester United women's team 9-0.

As with the excellent boys versus women athletics website, the gulf between men's and women's football is immense. It is not a gap in skill (though due to male socialisation being pretty much "football, football and more football" that is very large - and I say that as an ex woman player), but also a huge gap in physical strength, speed and acceleration. Rapinoe can hustle pretty much any woman player in the world off the ball in a direct shoulder-to-shoulder encounter; she'd be hustled off the ball herself in a similar encounter against pretty much any man in the top flight game.

It's a shame this summer's olympics had to be cancelled, as I think it would have been interesting.

ListeningQuietly · 02/08/2020 18:53

Rapinoe will be pro trans until it stops her getting medals
and then she'll be unstoppable

DianasLasso · 02/08/2020 18:50

I was thinking the same about Rapinoe.

Wonder if she'd rethink if a player of the calibre of Ronaldo or Aguerro had transitioned and threatened her spot in midfield?

nauticant · 02/08/2020 18:32

I still want to see a TRA explain
live as a woman
in front on Megan Rapinoe

They could say all kinds of sexist and contradictory nonsense and Rapinoe would probably agree with it 100%:

www.outsports.com/2019/9/11/20858434/jaycee-cooper-megan-rapinoe-trans-athletes-lori-lindsey-powerlifting-transgender-inclusion

Childrenofthestones · 02/08/2020 18:25

@Lottapianos

'Also where is Jess Phillips, the one with the book out called 'Truth to Power' with the words 'How to call time on bullshit, speak up and make a difference' on the cover ?'

Shes so full of shit, and only seems interested in self-promotion.

The average working MP in other words
ListeningQuietly · 02/08/2020 18:25

spousal exit clause
Philip Bunce

ListeningQuietly · 02/08/2020 18:22

Sunset
read up
it was thought up by the right wing to tie the left wing in knots
with astounding success

SunsetBeetch · 02/08/2020 18:21

@ListeningQuietly

Identity Politics the best idea the right wing ever had to make sure that the left wing would eat themselves and fight like ferrets in a sack rather than take on the enemy
Identity politics isn't right wing.
ListeningQuietly · 02/08/2020 17:29

Paedo deadnaming is a hot potato
which puts GRA under pressure

BatShite · 02/08/2020 17:28

Ugh the amount of people who misunderstand (often on purpose I think) the 'spousal exit clause' is ridiculous.

It would be hugely unfair IMO, to get rid of it. Cannot just randomly change the terms of marriage like that and expect the partner to be fine with it! Also the partner cannot impede transition anyway, its only about the marriage.

ThePurported · 02/08/2020 17:18

Jess Phillips wants to get rid of the spousal exit clause (she doesn't even know what it means) and the proof of 'living in role' requirement which, correct me if I'm wrong, just means sending in documents (e.g. utility bills) with the new name and 'gender'.
If individual doctors insist on skirts and womanly hobbies, the problem is sexist doctors, not the GRA.

ListeningQuietly · 02/08/2020 17:03

I still want to see a TRA explain
live as a woman
in front on Megan Rapinoe
Grin

CharlieParley · 02/08/2020 17:02

JP is not just cheerleading the TWAW propaganda, she's also condoning the erasure of our rights via her unwavering support for Labour's determination to abolish the sex-based exemptions in the Equality Act (while claiming to uphold them).

And she is also one of the women claiming that including males in a female-only therapeutic environment for female victims of male violence causes zero problems. Another politician who has provesn unwilling to listen to any of those victims trying to tell her otherwise. Or frontline workers in the sector. Because she once was regional business manager for such a service. And so she knows best.

Cwenthryth · 02/08/2020 16:47

I listened to that JP interview on Times radio earlier - was with Gloria de Piero - and though she was pretty evasive. Think GdP asked her about self-ID and she just waffled about the process needs reforming - mentioning the whole ‘living in role’ being deeply sexist (“what does that mean? You wear skirts and bake?”) and I said out loud to the radio YES JESS IT IS DEEPLY SEXIST....THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF GENDER IS DEEPLY SEXIST!!!
Feels like she’s so near yet so far.

ListeningQuietly · 02/08/2020 16:34

Identity Politics
the best idea the right wing ever had
to make sure that the left wing would eat themselves
and fight like ferrets in a sack
rather than take on the enemy

Scout2016 · 02/08/2020 16:32

@Floisme I had considered emailing to ask her directly after I read her book... but something stopped me. I thought I'd just keep an eye out and frequently Google instead. Maybe part of me didn't want yet another person who seemed politically ok to be a big disappointment.

Mummyoflittledragon · 02/08/2020 16:09

Jess Philips said TWAW a few months ago, didn’t she? (Much to the disappointment of MN)

Lottapianos · 02/08/2020 15:54

'Also where is Jess Phillips, the one with the book out called 'Truth to Power' with the words 'How to call time on bullshit, speak up and make a difference' on the cover ?'

Shes so full of shit, and only seems interested in self-promotion.

Floisme · 02/08/2020 15:48

Some of us have been looking for Jess Phillip's views on this for years so good luck with that.

You could argue that she's entitled to keep her opinons to herself but, as she normally prides herself on speaking up for women, I think we're equally entitled to view her silence with scepticism. I believe she also contributed to the all party committee that recommended self ID, in which case she's hardly an innocent bystander.

Scout2016 · 02/08/2020 15:41

Oh no, I've rated JP - does she want the proposed reform of the Gender Recognition Act, or just some / a reform? I'm hoping it's the latter. I've never seen anything clear from her about her views but probably been looking in the wrong places.

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