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"Women's" Cricket; Kent CC squad including a man

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ncGCFeminist · 31/07/2020 13:45

Kent County Cricket has yet again, even after protests last year, awarded a squad place to Maxine Blythin.
For those who don't know Maxine, they are a transgender woman, who doesn't live 'fully as a woman', has had no surgery nor reduced their testosterone levels. Maxine was, nonetheless, awarded the Kent County Cricket Woman's Player of the Year for 2019.

Last year, Maxine also enjoyed playing as Max on alternate weekend days in a mediocre men's team.
Let's compare stats for 2019, as Max playing as a Man vs 'Woman'':

Chesham Second XI men's team (mediocre village team):
8 matches, 79 runs in total, highest score 44, average 13.16

Kent women's county cricket team (semi-pro women's team, earning £££s):
8 matches, 629 runs in total, highest score 152*, average 104.83

Crystal clear proof that men competing in women's sports is NOT fair.

This needs some loud protests from those who care about women's sports.

twitter.com/KentCricket/status/1288753950150152192?s=20

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SerenityNowwwww · 31/07/2020 15:32

How can someone do this and look people on the eye? It’s like me getting on my nieces under 10s soccer team and creaming all those little weaklings...

dementedma · 31/07/2020 15:29

This is fucking outrageous!

WeeBisom · 31/07/2020 15:29

This shows the focus on testosterone is such a red herring. Max's testosterone levels is supposedly 1 (which puts them in the normal female range.) Despite that Max is clearly dominating in the women's team! So surely the most relevant factor is the fact that Max is a biological male.

Duchessofealing · 31/07/2020 15:28

I’ve emailed the ECB about this - smacks of cheating the system by Kent. If I hear back I will post.

Kit19 · 31/07/2020 15:27

If I remember rightly the Kent woman’s captain tried to defend it on twitter last year and got ratio’d to fuck

picklemewalnuts · 31/07/2020 15:27

They have lovely hair. They also have an Adam's apple.

Do cricketers usually wear boxes? I think they do.

I can imagine Blythin likes cricket, plays on mixed teams, and didn't experience the same puberty most boys would. They probably have a hormonal condition of some type.

However, I don't think they are female and shouldn't be playing on a women's team.

Anonymum263 · 31/07/2020 15:25

Find this so discouraging. Especially as hardly any reputable media are covering this--I try to do my research and only found articles in the Sun, the Daily Mail, etc. It's extremely difficult to have a conversation with my ("woke") husband if I can only refer him to sensationalising tabloids.

SerenityNowwwww · 31/07/2020 15:23

But it’s not fair (not cricket you might even say).

How come they were playing in the men’s league - do the allow women to play for men’s teams?

DialSquare · 31/07/2020 15:22

Thanks ChubbyPigeon.

I think that tells us a lot.

OvaHere · 31/07/2020 15:22

So basically these days if you are male you can retrofit whatever history you want and spout medical nonsense with impunity in order to colonise women's sport.

ChubbyPigeon · 31/07/2020 15:19

@DialSquare
As a boy, always as a boy until they left school

And their voice was not that high pitched.

ShellsAndSunrises · 31/07/2020 15:16

At club level, Blythin has also played in 'open cricket' - matches in which the vast majority of players are men, but in which women often participate as well. Comparisons have frequently been drawn between her statistics in open cricket and the women's game, sometimes leading to confusion.

That's from the Sky article. Did she play mens cricket too, or is that a misleading statement from Sky?

Her interview doesn't seem to make much sense, and it's quite concerning.

Collidascope · 31/07/2020 15:15

A female puberty involves periods, vaginal discharge, the growing of breasts, the widening of the hips. I doubt Maxine has been through that somehow.

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 31/07/2020 15:09

Blythin has also described how her transition has involved taking the hormones necessary to fulfil a female puberty

Yes

But Boys go through puberty between 9 and 14...they certainly weren’t given hormones for a female puberty then

WinterIsGone · 31/07/2020 15:08

The 24-year-old describes how she transitioned in her teenage years, having experienced gender dysphoria
But Maxine was playing men's cricket last year.

Kit19 · 31/07/2020 15:08

Kent can get in the bin for doing this.

The ECB and ICC need to do what the RFU have done and hold a proper enquiry

ncGCFeminist · 31/07/2020 15:07

You can't take hormones to enable puberty. Can you?

Yes, none of what Maxine has said is consistent. You'd have thunk at their age they may want to know what their medical condition is.

Also, faux girly voice on that interview is very grating

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DialSquare · 31/07/2020 15:05

@ChubbyPigeon

I went to school with maxine (have even played cricket with them) they are well over 6 ft tall -Id have said 6'4. In mens shoe sizes by 11, how can they not have gone through any male puberty? They have a male physique regardless.

Yes mum is tall, as is sister but like 5'8 -5'10 not 6'4

How did Maxine present themselves at school? If you don't mind answering that is.
WinterIsGone · 31/07/2020 15:03

Blythin has also described how her transition has involved taking the hormones necessary to fulfil a female puberty.

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 31/07/2020 15:01

Maxine never went through male puberty

I’m confused (no surprise)

So they didnt go through a male puberty, so are they saying They went through a female puberty or didnt go through puberty (neither of those things I believe)

TreestumpsAndTrampolines · 31/07/2020 14:53

but her condition - which she says has been established by doctors but is yet to receive a full medical diagnosis

So hang on - Maxine's saying they're intersex, but isn't actually diagnosed. Wants to share their biological details, but can't actually name anything, has no NHS diagnosis, despite apparently never having gone through puberty?

None of this makes any sense.

ChubbyPigeon · 31/07/2020 14:49

Actually playing cricket against boys in late primary/early secondary is what totally put me off playing cricket. I never had a hope of being up to their standard - even when we were like 11 he was significantly taller and stronger than me.

ThinEndoftheWedge · 31/07/2020 14:47

A man with low testosterone is still not a woman.

Yep.

A man with low testosterone is still a man.

ChubbyPigeon · 31/07/2020 14:46

I went to school with maxine (have even played cricket with them) they are well over 6 ft tall -Id have said 6'4. In mens shoe sizes by 11, how can they not have gone through any male puberty? They have a male physique regardless.

Yes mum is tall, as is sister but like 5'8 -5'10 not 6'4

Datun · 31/07/2020 14:44

I'm sure at the moment Kent think it's great having a socially approved way to cheat but when all the teams start doing it it's going to be a mess and the women that support it now will eventually realise how they've been used and screwed over.

Of course. Women's teams will be made up largely of men who identify as women. And women will be nowhere.

The fact that people can't see this, or think that it's fine in principle, as long as it's only one, or two, is the very definition of misogyny.