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"Women's" Cricket; Kent CC squad including a man

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ncGCFeminist · 31/07/2020 13:45

Kent County Cricket has yet again, even after protests last year, awarded a squad place to Maxine Blythin.
For those who don't know Maxine, they are a transgender woman, who doesn't live 'fully as a woman', has had no surgery nor reduced their testosterone levels. Maxine was, nonetheless, awarded the Kent County Cricket Woman's Player of the Year for 2019.

Last year, Maxine also enjoyed playing as Max on alternate weekend days in a mediocre men's team.
Let's compare stats for 2019, as Max playing as a Man vs 'Woman'':

Chesham Second XI men's team (mediocre village team):
8 matches, 79 runs in total, highest score 44, average 13.16

Kent women's county cricket team (semi-pro women's team, earning £££s):
8 matches, 629 runs in total, highest score 152*, average 104.83

Crystal clear proof that men competing in women's sports is NOT fair.

This needs some loud protests from those who care about women's sports.

twitter.com/KentCricket/status/1288753950150152192?s=20

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ncGCFeminist · 31/07/2020 17:40

Yep, you got that right. The sad thing is is that Maxine's teammates, by association, are tarnishing their reputations. Everyone knows Kent CC are cheating. It is unfortunately going to take someone very brave to stand up against this.

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DoctorTwo · 31/07/2020 17:27

So this person is the Pips Bunce of the cricketing world. Have I got that right?

Kit19 · 31/07/2020 17:01

I’m A huge cricket follower and I’ve not heard of this “open cricket” either

Couple of interesting things

www.ecb.co.uk/play/women-and-girls

www.firstpost.com/sports/why-mixed-cricket-is-not-everyones-cup-of-tea-6435471.html

Mixed cricket with Male & female players is nothing like a team Containing a one or two Male bodied people

ShellsAndSunrises · 31/07/2020 16:51

I'm not too into cricket - getting there, but definitely more ODIs and Tests than county cricket at the moment - but I've never really heard of Open cricket.

MoltenLasagne · 31/07/2020 16:41

Isn't it fascinating that somehow the open team only has men playing on it and one cricketer who identifies as male for most of the week apart from when playing for a professional women's team?

SerenityNowwwww · 31/07/2020 16:39

I believe in Scotland it will soon be - if not already - illegal to ask anyone to back up any sex claims. You can’t ask. At all. It will be on the new hate crime law too.

SerenityNowwwww · 31/07/2020 16:38

I wonder what the condition is? I’d be interested to know what condition makes you eligible to play on the men’s team and then the womens team in quick succession. One teams doctor isn’t very observant.

FloralBunting · 31/07/2020 16:37

Hasn't been medically investigated and doesn't want to be. Just accept what they describe as gospel, and acquiesce, women.

NearlyGranny · 31/07/2020 16:36

How many women are 6'4" with size 11 feet? How does someone sleep easy at night after doing this?

Totickleamockingbird · 31/07/2020 16:36

This is absolutely horrific! I cannot imagine why it is not being shared widely on social media?

NearlyGranny · 31/07/2020 16:34

Hasn't been medically investigated and doesn't want to be. Adam's apple suggestive of having undergone male puberty. Likewise the enormous hands!

Switching back and forth in the same year between playing men's and women's cricket, mediocre in a village men's 2nd 11, player of the year in the women's professional team. Taking the place (and money) intended for a top woman player.

It's not cricket. 🙄

Kit19 · 31/07/2020 15:59

I assume that anyone team mates not being supportive would find themselves not playing anymore

It’s not exactly a free choice is it

calllaaalllaaammma · 31/07/2020 15:58

This shows that testosterone should not be the only criteria as to whether you are allowed to compete in a woman's team. They have advantages of height and strength and do not identify as female half the week.
Intersex conditions are being used to justify erasing women's rights.

FloralBunting · 31/07/2020 15:58

And of course Blythin's female team mates are onside. The cheating benefits them very nicely. Other women from other county teams might not be so eager to celebrate a male bodied player trouncing them.

Winesalot · 31/07/2020 15:46

Sorry posted too early.

Plus do more research into the other effects that are not testosterone related.

Kit19 · 31/07/2020 15:46

But Maxine hasn’t said what condition they have and anyway afaik it’s irrelevant. A woman is anyone who says they are right? so why are they gong out with all this when they didn’t bother last year (I know why - it’s getting their defence in early)

I wonder if the ECB defines what a woman is....

OneEpisode · 31/07/2020 15:44

In the video clip Maxine talks about when Maxine was a child and adolescence. Isn’t adolescence “the period following the onset of puberty”? But they didn’t have a male puberty?

Winesalot · 31/07/2020 15:43

It must have been a confusing time for Maxine. However, how do the doctors know whether they did have higher testosterone during puberty to give some benefit? I do feel this is not a clear cut case without further information. I feel sad for anyone missing out of the team to find out sometime in the future that Maxine was not in fact eligible.

I think that it has to be time to revise this testosterone policy in light of Dr Hilton’s and Tommy Lundberg’s review.

puzzledpiece · 31/07/2020 15:40

The inmates have definitely taken over the asylum

WinterIsGone · 31/07/2020 15:38

"That condition means I'm eligible to play women's sport at any level, in any sport, naturally," she says.
I thought that was an odd quote. I wonder if Maxine has considered any other sport.

Kit19 · 31/07/2020 15:37

Yes agree with PP I don’t see how Maxine isn’t completely embarrassed

ErrolTheDragon · 31/07/2020 15:37

In mens shoe sizes by 11, how can they not have gone through any male puberty? They have a male physique regardless.

There's historical evidence that boys who genuinely didn't go through puberty - the unfortunate Castrati - had long limbs and large lungs, the latter being the source of their singing power in conjunction with unbroken voice. They certainly weren't women.

MagicalThinking · 31/07/2020 15:36

A man with low testosterone is .... a man with low testosterone. Simple as that.

And in the video on the Sky news article, when you see the full body shot of Maxine batting, Maxine very obviously has a typically male build.

JackiesArmy · 31/07/2020 15:34

I assume the explanation about the men's team being "open" means that Maxine playing on the men's teams for the first 20+ years of life has no relevance to Maxine being a man or a woman since the teams are open to both Confused.

JackiesArmy · 31/07/2020 15:32

So if someone says they are intersex, no-one can challenge them? Can anyone self-identify as intersex now?

If someone has low testosterone, they are a woman (the taking of female cross-sex hormones is irrelevant to this apparently).