Giggle app - 'for girls only'

What a powerful letter. Hope the media do take note and actually start looking. Although, there are some voices that have always been aware of what is happening.

Thank you Sall.

Her woman only space was deliberately targeted by TRAs - it was all about undermining women.

Just read the letter and took a look at the Taimi app reviews. OH THE IRONY

That's an excellent letter. I'm with you, Sall.

She's also done Glinner - which means she's pretty hardcore

I don't recall seeing anyone making the transition from "be nice" to "female rights" so hard and fast publicly. She's not someone to do anything by half.

I've had a few chats with her over the last few months, and it's obvious to me that she just hadn't realised the issue at first, but once she did, she took action.

She's been very vocal about it on Twitter and been targeted by the TRAs, but has stood firm.

There's a great Benjamin Boyce interview with her

Sall's come a long way. I remember her first posting on Reddit's GenderCritical, and debating a bit with her there.

It's hard to tell whether r/GC or the trans activists were better at convincing her.

And I think she's a savvy businesswoman and she's ready to tap into this gap in the market, with every other women-only space flooded with males. At this point, there must surely be more money to be made by catering for females wanting to avoid males than catering for males wanting to be with females.

Couldn't be any more clearer.

For those who are blocked...

[quote Signalbox]Sorry to bump an old thread but this is interesting...

twitter.com/salltweets/status/1352142056437673986[/quote]
That’s excellent! What a clear letter!

That is an excellent letter.

Sorry to bump an old thread but this is interesting...

twitter.com/salltweets/status/1352142056437673986

I do feel sorry for the founder. She's tried to find a middle line and ended up attacked from both sides. I think it is a good example of why no 'middle line' actually exists.

It's not trans-inclusive if transmen aren't allowed. It's men-inclusive. Like everyfucking thing else in this world.

There was a long twitter argument about this - Sall was, at best, disingenuous.

First the app was women only, supposedly, then it transpired that a) TW could join if they'd had facial feminising surgery & b) Sall had told TW acquaintances that they were absolutely welcome.

It didn't help that Sall then spent a couple of days alternately hand waving that she really couldn't do anything about the AI not detecting TW, & then claiming that any TW profiles were deleted by human mods anyway so what was the problem?!

Then there was a rambling blog post saying she'd tried to be inclusive of 'fully transitioned' TW but obviously this wasn't working out (because it was putting actual women off in droves) so NOW they were deffo not allowed & if any snuck past the AI they would be yeeted out sharpish.

& then she blocked everyone who pointed out the various...inconsistencies...in things she'd said at different times to different people.

I wouldn't touch Giggle with a barge pole - I think the whole mess was cock up, not conspiracy, & I feel a bit sorry for Sall, who now has the TRAs yelling that she's a 'terf' whilst most of GC twitter think she's a duplicitous wally - it's just not a genuinely female space, & who needs yet another networking app, really?

As soon as Sall's defence of her app appeared on my time line on Twitter, two proverbs sprang to mind - The road to hell is paved with good intentions and Fools rush in where angels fear to tread. With such a name I believe this app is directed at girls and whatever clever devices Giggle uses, nothing will stop those of ill intent joining and subtly directing conversations for grooming and/or arousal purposes or worse.

In recent cases middle-aged and older women have been fooled by men they have contacted via dating websites: so I am sure that such websites as Giggle present safeguarding issues for young women, despite Sall's reassurances.

I'm massively confused about who the target audience for this app actually is. I'd assumed it was very young girls, maybe around 11, from the name and branding. But it also includes women? Or its only for adults but just refers to women as girls? Sounds like absolute shit whatever it is. Hard pass from me.

Also, if it's aimed at 'girls', why is 'intern' an option but 'student' isn't?

Fundamentally, I would never join a site that wanted to refer to adult women as 'girls'.

That's a weirdly specific list of jobs. Please tell me that's not the full list.

So women can work in sex work, but apparently not education, finance, childcare, hospitality, office work other than law, police, armed forces etc etc etc.

Is there another page missing?

So. Trans girls are welcome, so they can discuss PCOS and periods. But transboys - who may actually have to deal with them - are not

I think if you are going to start some sort of app for women, you need to be realistic about the sort of men who are going to be interested. You can find this out from any woman who runs any sort of women's group.

Even Woman's Hour is regularly spammed by the WATM MRA brigade. Goodness knows what they are sent by DM/email.

still like you I did have sympathy for Sal at the start but then began to see all the lies she has been spouting. Yes, transwomen are welcome (to TRAs), no, we won't let transwomen in (to women). There have been lots of questions asked of her on Twitter but she just ignores, blocks and then pops up again with on-trend GC statements.
The final straw was seeing here that she has an employment category of Sex Work. She has many many young women on this site, many from poor, developing countries. These are young women potentially talking to men who are pretending to be women about sex.

Personally I think for the above reason the app should go - I'm going to be reporting it.

This app will not work if it continues to allow transwomen in. Its not for girls only if you allow men in no matter how they identify and it will discourage a lot of women and girls from using it.

The colour of the app and the language is also off putting as GoldenCurtain said it is infantilising