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Can you believe this image

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modargh · 29/07/2020 16:45

So the MOD commissioned a report to look into the needs of military families today, it's called "Living in our shoes" www.gov.uk/government/publications/living-in-our-shoes-understanding-the-needs-of-uk-armed-forces-families

If you have a quick look at the link and see the front page of the report, you'll see the image they decided to use to represent the report that is supposed to review the needs of the modern MOD family, it is an image of scruffy boots, pristine pointed heels, some dishevelled looking converse and pretty polished ballet pumps. Ah yes, the M, F, M, F household with the man slaving away in the military with the delicate wife in her pretty heels with nothing important to do in her impractical footwear. The neatly presented little girl shoes, and mischievously placed boys converse....ok I appreciate I'm interpreting this with a specific agenda, but can you see what I mean?

An image that should encapsulate what the MOD is today looks like something out of 1970. Where does it leave female serving personnel, or homosexual households, or anyone that doesn't prescribe to this outdated vision of the family. I appreciate there is not one image to represent a family, which is why they shouldn't have even tried especially given the context of the report.

As a military spouse who has encountered sexism, regularly, as a result of my husband's career choice, in trying to pursue my career and have my husband's employer understand his career does not always need to take precedence and that our childcare responsibilities are shared (within reason, obviously it is a different lifestyle with a certain level of understanding of the commitment it involves from both of us) it is just incredibly frustrating. How can they understand our "needs" if they are still advertising the military family in this way.

So I complained to the review panel, and said I really didn't think it was an appropriate image for the report and asked them to re-consider, because it is not very inviting and ostracises a lot of their employees and families- in direct conflict with the point of the report.

The MP Andrew Selous who sat on the panel, replied to my complaint. You may want to have a quick look at his Wiki page to see if you can preempt his reply, if you're not familiar with him already as I wasn't. Needless to say the crux of his reply was that I was wrong, that the image was "deliberately" picked because the boots could be worn by both and it could be a lesbian household. This from the man who wouldn't vote for same sex marriage because "Jesus disagrees".

I just need to vent, I don't know what I'm looking for. I sent a very long response to him to explain why the image isn't appropriate and the response I had gotten on my social media from military employees and spouses, male and female, but I suspect I will be placed in the offended snowflake bucket.

Why can't people just LISTEN.

(Name changed as I wrote about it on my social media so don't want people linking me up to my previous posts if they're on here).

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 30/07/2020 16:17

Ah, the pretty pastel female shoes, safe, neat and tidy, protected by the Boots of Man.

And the Converse of Boy, literally and figuratively, adventurous, independent and stepping out to make his own place in the world.

They chose the image, they know what they are saying. And the 1950s is strongly represented there.

modargh · 30/07/2020 16:16

And let's be honest they're not working shoes end of really. How many women go to work in pink/white heels. They scream housewife to me. Which is what a military spouse traditionally was. Nothing wrong with being a housewife, but again, it's about what's appropriate for this report, moving away from stereotypes, and the MOD being equipped to support the modern family.

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modargh · 30/07/2020 15:55

@DidoLamenting the point is, they are not the working shoes of someone in the military. Let's face it, they're not a daily shoe for most women going about their everyday lives these days. It's an outdated image of a hard working man with a pretty woman, whilst of course this will fit some families, and won't be offensive to everyone, for the content of the report it is wildly inappropriate.

What does it say to young boys and girls looking at that image? It says boys become soldiers and women are about looks. That's the crux of it, you can deny it, try to colour it as something else, but that is a stereotype we have been dealing with for decades and is being used as the face of a 2020 report into military families.

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DidoLamenting · 30/07/2020 15:43

I do not know any woman in my civilian life who would wear those pink shoes, aside from evening wear or similar

I would wear shoes like that with day summer dresses, not always, but certainly nothing unusual.

I wouldn't be seen dead in androgynous or gender neutral footwear.

And can you cut out the "so impractical" stuff. My shoes are practical for what I need and want to do.

modargh · 30/07/2020 08:02

@combatbarbie I don't think they should have tried to encapsulate the military family in one image at all. It's impossible, and again, considering the nature of the report they should step back and realise there's no way to do that inclusively so don't try. They could of had a montage of real military families, or nothing, as you serve you know the military is at least 20 years behind the rest of society. They should be taking longer to consider these decisions, not less time.

A picture paints a thousand words after all, and what that image says is in direct conflict with what the report is supposed to be doing. It's lazy, unintelligent and ignorant.

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KatySun · 30/07/2020 06:59

combatbarbie I do not know any woman in my civilian life who would wear those pink shoes, aside from evening wear or similar. A pair of office work shoes or boots, trainers (these are usually quite gendered and women have smaller feet, usually), I also have a pair of flowery converse. There are many ways to make civilian shoes gendered female, without going for impractical shoes. Impractical because they would get dirty easily and you cannot run very far. Thinking about the school run, there is one mum who wears shoes equally impractical and even then not all the time.

I have a girl and a boy - my daughter has black converse but yes, as a smaller child her shoes were pink and purple and those kind of colours sometimes but they were not shiny satin. She had ballet shoes for ballet and they were not in the family shoe line.

There are many different ways to represent a family which does not fall back on restrictive gender stereotypes.

DidoLamenting · 30/07/2020 05:29

They could’ve easily done eg. two pairs of adult, androgynous boots/converse and two pairs of colourful wellies/trainers for the kids

I've never owned a pair of "adult androgynous boots" /converse" in my life. A picture like that would not suggest to me a family with a woman in it or that it was meant to represent me.

DidoLamenting · 30/07/2020 05:25

@dementedma

Tbh I’m not sure I agree with you. I also work in defence if it’s relevant. The boots could be worn by either a male or a female soldier and the converse by either a boy or a girl. I guess it’s very hard to depict an image of family when there are so many different types of family, so they went with a rather boring one which most people would understand. I’m always happy to take up the cudgels on behalf of women - after all i am one - but not sure this is the hill I would choose to die on
My thoughts exactly.
combatbarbie · 30/07/2020 00:02

Genuinely interested (as a serving woman myself) what image you think they could have used?

Yes I agree it's a stereotypical image but what image could they have used that wouldn't upset a portion of service families? With the kids shoes I get it, they could have easily used a pink and blue pair of converse to identify boy/girl children, but one pair of boots has to be there to represent the serving person.

Maybe the pink stilettos (to be honest given the uproar they clearly intended to cause, I'm shocked they didn't use white stilettos.... If you know, you know....) should have been a pair of white vans?

orangenasturtium · 29/07/2020 23:42

There is no ambiguity about what that represents. The last time I saw something so ridiculously clichéed and stereotyped was when our graphic design work experience student suggested this font for our Japanese office's business cards. But that was nearly 25 years ago and they were 14 years old. Even so, we were still shocked that a 14 year old thought it was okay.

Can you believe this image
JKRisagryff · 29/07/2020 23:21

Katysun that’s what irritates me about it - the neat pink, decorative shoes tidied away, a women’s touch.

I’m lucky if both of whatever DD has on her feet make it back through the door at all, they are strewn far and wide. She certainly wouldn’t be lining them up neatly beside my shoes, not to mention I haven’t worn a pair of high heels in over ten years.

They could’ve easily done eg. two pairs of adult, androgynous boots/converse and two pairs of colourful wellies/trainers for the kids. And whatever jaunty angles they wanted on whichever shoe to make the picture more interesting and show the different personalities in the house. Personalities which are likely nothing to do with the gender of those people.

Brysonette · 29/07/2020 23:14

I was a military spouse and these images that are rife served to alienate me from what is seen as the 'typical' military family. It can be a very lonely life and this only made me feel more so since such sexist stereotypes pervaded all such publications.
I hated it. Clearly they've learnt nothing.

Goingdownto · 29/07/2020 22:55

The boots and converse could be worn by a woman, but we all know the pink shoes won't be worn by a man don't we.

JKRisagryff · 29/07/2020 22:49

I agree OP, it definitely grates on me. No woman straight or lesbian is going to be wearing pink stilettos as a daily shoe. And lined up with the other neat little pink shoes beside it, it’s obvious what that’s meant to be representing.

Or course the boots could belong to a ginormous lesbian and the converse could be her wife’s and the pink stilettos could belong to their gender non-conforming teenage son and the pink ballet flats could be the dogs but that is obviously not what they’re going for.

TehBewilderness · 29/07/2020 22:44

Everyone know that all the best pilots fly their fighter jets in spike heels, eh?

KatySun · 29/07/2020 22:40

No teen estrangement, the Converse are a messy, independent teenager and the ballet shoes a neat child close to mum. The boots have some independence and autonomy too, being at a more jaunty angle. The pink heels know their place, again neatly.

Shedbuilder · 29/07/2020 22:37

Rebellious teenage boy who won't line his Converse up with the rest of the family. Or probably it just makes a better picture like that. But it's really sexist and regressive and it makes a mockery of previous attempts to attract female recruits.

boatyardblues · 29/07/2020 22:27

What’s with the Cons being off to one side? Are there regular issues of teen estrangement or going off the rails or something? I thought the placing of the Cons away from the tight knit nuclear family shoes was odd too.

modargh · 29/07/2020 22:09

@jassa090 I work full time with 2 children currently at home and a husband working away, I assure you I am not time rich, but being someone with principles it does mean I carve out time to call something out that I think is wrong. Let the irony not be lost on you that you just took the time to comment on my thread with nothing more worthwhile than to tell me how much time I have on my hands. I know an MP you'd get on really well with.

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jassa090 · 29/07/2020 22:00

Wish I had as much spare time as you do opie

KingFredsTache · 29/07/2020 21:58

Jesus, just had a look, that is so sexist and ridiculous!

KatySun · 29/07/2020 21:49

And sorry, I am not sure how he could say the image was picked because it could be a lesbian household with a straight face.

KatySun · 29/07/2020 21:47

I agree with you - neither of the pink (coded female) shoes (adult or child) are at all practical or for everyday wear. Whereas the boots and the converse are. The image is very stereotypical and regressive.

Shedbuilder · 29/07/2020 21:42

It stinks, OP. Will send an email tomorrow asking to speak to their PR/ Press department and asking what kind of message they are sending out.

modargh · 29/07/2020 21:41

@twoHopes that's it exactly, the drip,
I know it's not criminal or worth too much time complaining, but it's just what the whole thing represents. The military community is a particularly backward community in this regard I'm not afraid to say, so I welcome a report that tries to acknowledge its need to modernise. But I just look at that image and I think whatever is in that report just doesn't matter, I don't care if it took 18 months, if that was the image they picked to package it then they really just don't get it.

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