Pronouns

Pronouns cannot function as correction fluid for those dissatisfied with reality.

If I worked in a company that insisted on pronouns (which I thankfully don't) I would insist on "Oh Captain/My Captain".

I defer to Beaker

Shem/Herm/Theys

N/A is short and sweet.

My DD has suggested
Nunya/bizniz

It's like atheism - the absence of belief has to have equivalent protection as belief.

So, my absence of belief in 'gender identity' is equally as valid and just as much to be respected as other people's choices to suggest which pronouns they would like other people to use.

Equally, judgement of using whichever pronoun seems most appropriate should also be respected. It's farcical to imagine that we can, as a society, start to dictate how other people perceive us.

Why would the recipient of your email need to know how you think of yourself

So that when they are talking about you when your not even there, they cannot misgender you, if they do you can take them to the cleaners.

I've got sex based like my oppression and no one has said anything yet.
If forced I'm going to declare I, me and mine. I will sue the pants of anyone who misgender me deliberately or not. If suing the pants wont work I'll get em sacked.

Or more likely just shrug and say well when you have to remember (in my workpkace) 650 pronouns your bound to get it wrong a lot.

My company sent an email round about a year ago advising that we can put pronouns in our emails if we wished. I'm yet to see an email from someone who has actually done it which is good.

I remember reading someone on Twitter some time ago who said they identified as Michael Jackson and their preferred pronouns are He/He!

She/his all the way.

Hotpenguin

I did a random google on " research shows women do less well when reminded of their gender"

www.apa.org/research/action/stereotype

@DaisiesandButtercups - though all theoretical you've given me quite something to think about there!!

I don't have an email signature, but when at workshops and the like and asked to introduce myself with 'my name, my pronoun and why I'm there' I always skip the pronoun answer. Never been challenged, always referred to as she funnily enough.

Identify as a plural neuter-gendered Icelander*:

Þau Þau Þeim Þeirra

When they can't pronounce it, because they don't know their eths from their thorns, get very upset and take to the cleaners for misgendering.

*Old English would work too

Seriously, about using he/him when female... patriarchy ensures it is always a "heads I win, tails you lose" situation whichever way you try to play the game, so best to try to not play the game at all.

Why would the recipient of your email need to know how you think of yourself?

@NearlyGranny just looked it up. Doesn't surprise me at all but great to see the evidence there for everyone to see. I've become one of those stereotypical cold and transactional professional women in the last couple of years. Being friendly and approachable just doesn't work for me, no one respects me and I can't get shit done. I completely understand now why so many senior women are like this.

Athletic supporter? Maybe not 😜

HotPenguin, look for Martin R Schneider and Nicole Pieri to get the 2017 story of what happened when they swapped email identities. 😳

How about a bit of a cryptic take like "Preferred 'pro' nouns: athlete, supporter".

I, me, my, mine.

Given how gendered names themselves are, why would you need to put pronouns even if you believed in this ideology? - unless it's to stop non-binary people feeling self-conscious when they put "they, their" after their name. But given the whole point of non-binary seems to be to show how speshul and yoo-neek they are, surely everyone putting pronouns would stop them standing out so much and therefore be a bit shit?

WorkingitoutasIgo and TwoHopes

What you both said. On reflection I am just not going to play the game. I honestly don't mind what pronouns people use when talking about me. I really don't want to participate in such controlling behaviour as demanding how others perceive me. I don't want to give up biological reality, my reality or fighting for women's rights. Putting pronouns in emails can only hurt women.

Thing is, people keep suggesting we all pretend to be male but that just erases and denies our womanhood.

Not at all. Just shorthand for Her Imperial Magesty or Her Excellency.

Me / Me / Me / Me / Me Me / Me / Me / Me / Me Me / Me / Me / Me / Me Me / Me / Me / Me / Me (until you get to enough to cover all the genders!)

Pick a really obscure and hard to spell one, and raise a formal complaint every time someone gets it wrong?

How about yre / yres / yreself?

Or co / cos / cos / coself?

heterosexualisnotadefault.tumblr.com/pronouns

If it comes up in our workplace, I am planning to point to the trans people who say that having to declare pronouns makes them feel uncomfortable, because it focuses everyone's mind on each other's gender identity, whereas trans people want to be accepted as the sex they are presenting as.

Whatever the craziness of the TRAs, I don't think the pronouns thing is coming from them, it's coming from fuckwit would-be allies, and from blue haired emo non-trans straight 'Kweer' kids who are !! irony klaxon !! appropriating LGBT culture.

If pushed I have thought of something along the lines of "prefer not to specify pronouns in favour of using my first name, i.e Joody, Joody, Joody's".