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WEP expels founding member for tweeting #IStandWithJKRowlings

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stumbledin · 29/07/2020 00:12

hilarybaxter
@rtwhilary
I was a Founding Member of the Women’s Equality Party and Chair of the Oxford Branch until last week. I posted #IStandWithJKRowling and IOC petition on WEP Oxford Fb. WEP called these “offensive” & kicked me out. WEP don’t support sex based rights.
twitter.com/rtwhilary/status/1288083971830681602

There is now a WEP Women's Sex-Based Rights Caucus on facebook www.facebook.com/wepwomen/

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TehBewilderness · 30/07/2020 02:23

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

Mandu Read, the party leader, gave a Diva award to Dr Harrop last year. That tells you her attitude to women.

I'm torn here between wanting to scream and Grin because Haddock is indeed a diva, but I suspect they were using the word in a different way ...

Grin
wellbehavedwomen · 30/07/2020 01:51

"What do we want!"
"Women's equality!"
"When do we want it!"
"Whenever suits men!"

They're an embarrassment.

stumbledin · 29/07/2020 22:37

Include but not centre? Is that not a difference?

Not for those who think they should not be there at all, and that by being there undermine the arguement that you can not change sex. Because to the public eye they symbolise that society says you can!

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smithsinarazz · 29/07/2020 21:08

WEP published a really bell-endish tweet complaining about traffic calming a bit ago. It was pointed out that women are disproportionately unlikely to be perpetrators of traffic offences & more likely to suffer as a consequence of unsafe roads - more likely to have kids to look after, less likely to drive, more likely to say they're too scared to cycle - etc. To no avail. Going off the subject slightly, but backs up the idea that WEP are led by donkeys.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 29/07/2020 20:45

@stumbledin

I think both FiLia and WPUK include GC transwomen, which in terms of "splits" means that within GC politics there are also splits Wink
Include but not centre? Is that not a difference?
nonsenceagain · 29/07/2020 20:34

Well done Hilary 👊

Manderleyagain · 29/07/2020 20:12

Oh yes. She's also replied direct to wep:

"i challenged WEP on constantly using other organisations' ideas and protests, like BLM or DRA, rather than having any of their own. They wilfully interpreted this as racism/ableism in order to discredit me. I have no interest in wasting further time on them."

Portnlemon · 29/07/2020 18:36

She's responded to the accusations of racism etc. I agree with her, lots of the so called policies are really mediocre waffle when you would want a Party claiming this space to be outstanding on their subject. Heather BE has been proven to be absolutely right and yet because some of the inner circle doesn't agree she's out.

Really poor quality approach and work at the centre.

twitter.com/rtwhilary/status/1288489412926541824

stumbledin · 29/07/2020 18:29

I think both FiLia and WPUK include GC transwomen, which in terms of "splits" means that within GC politics there are also splits Wink

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TheWhiteDress · 29/07/2020 18:11

@calllaaalllaaammma

Are there any organisations that were set up for women that are not centering trans ideology?
FiLiA are one of them.
JoysOfString · 29/07/2020 16:26

Are there any organisations that were set up for women that are not centering trans ideology?

A Woman's Place and forwomen.scot are two.

Manderleyagain · 29/07/2020 16:06

The most recent blog on the wep sexed based rights caucus Web site (linked above) explains the conversation that's happening within the party.

I went to the online discussion referred to in that blog - & I am also still hopeful. I think it's a genuine process to find a way forward, although that obviously doesn't mean the outcome will necessarily be what I want.

"I read this as the training was about not putting things on social media which don't match their policies.
That doesn't seem an awful thing for a political party."

That's how I read it too. Especially at a time when that policy area is under discussion. It doesn't make the situation less stupid - but the issue is that the whole situation is a mess & they are currently trying to pick their way out of it.

calllaaalllaaammma · 29/07/2020 15:20

Are there any organisations that were set up for women that are not centering trans ideology?

Coyoacan · 29/07/2020 15:08

The penny has dropped. The Women's Equality Party is designed to get women to give up all the privileges we've been blessed with and to give men an equal playing field, poor things.

ThinEndoftheWedge · 29/07/2020 14:40

Ridiculous.

Complaining about the petition to the IOC is particularly grating. Even people who know nothing about the trans issue know males competing in women’s sports is utterly unfair and frequently unsafe.

The WEP supports the rights of males over
Feagaiga Stowers from Samoa to win women’s weightlifting gold in weightlifting.

We ought to know her name as a champion.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 29/07/2020 14:31

she expressed views on the party’s involvement in issues of race and disability that are incompatible with the party’s position. So, erm, what happened really?

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 29/07/2020 14:08

@stumbledin

Isn't that exactly how they smeared Heather Brunskell Evans?

At this rate there will be 2 WEPs, ie a second party made up of all those expelled which could just grow and grow!

The treatment of HBE was why I left (after being in from the start).

This schism was always on the cards it just took time to play out. It's striking, of course, that WEP is being left in the hands and leadership of TWAW advocates and those who explicitly centre women are the schism.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 29/07/2020 13:44

Mandu Read, the party leader, gave a Diva award to Dr Harrop last year. That tells you her attitude to women.

I'm torn here between wanting to scream and Grin because Haddock is indeed a diva, but I suspect they were using the word in a different way ...

stumbledin · 29/07/2020 13:39

Isn't that exactly how they smeared Heather Brunskell Evans?

At this rate there will be 2 WEPs, ie a second party made up of all those expelled which could just grow and grow!

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Abitofalark · 29/07/2020 13:20

So they not only breached their own proclaimed confidentiality but did it to taint the member by dragging in new unexplained matters which the 'subject' had not disclosed. How dishonourable to smear someone in that weasel way ('clarifications') to shore up their poor Stalinist excuse for investigation.

The name Women's Equality Party is a bad joke.

JoysOfString · 29/07/2020 12:57

Ooh I was so excited when the WEP was launched and joined at the start. 1 year of crappy waffly badly written shite supporter emails and press releases later, with no sign of having anything to say about actual inequality or threats to women, and I de-joined. So disappointing.

highame · 29/07/2020 12:32

@holidayplanningnewbie

WEP certainly seem to be having some kind of discussion. I'm not sure what you'd call it.

The WEP sex based rights caucus have a website here which is pretty informative about what's been going on a WEP. www.wepsbr.com

Kudos to the GC WEP women who are doggedly fighting on, trying to do something about the ridiculous situation that the only UK party specifically for women, doesn't seem to know what a woman is.

I note that u can also sign a petition, which I've just done
Portnlemon · 29/07/2020 12:21

WEP is completely ineffective. After 5 years what notable advancements have they acheved?

Membership has been plummeting for most of it's existence. The Committee roles are allocated via popularity contests instead of being skill or competence based. And they're completely in thrall to the LGBTI genderists.

Mandu Read, the party leader, gave a Diva award to Dr Harrop last year. That tells you her attitude to women.

It would be a shame if the party was successful but as it's a amateurish ineffective waste of time anyway.

holidayplanningnewbie · 29/07/2020 11:58

WEP certainly seem to be having some kind of discussion. I'm not sure what you'd call it.

The WEP sex based rights caucus have a website here which is pretty informative about what's been going on a WEP. www.wepsbr.com

Kudos to the GC WEP women who are doggedly fighting on, trying to do something about the ridiculous situation that the only UK party specifically for women, doesn't seem to know what a woman is.

Imnobody4 · 29/07/2020 11:31

I see there is now a WEP sex based rights caucus so now I'm really confused. Are they having an open discussion or not.
www.facebook.com/pages/category/Political-Organization/wepwomen/about/