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Shall we all self id as men?

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PamDenick · 28/07/2020 21:57

If all the craziness continues, why don’t we all self ID as men? We don’t have to DO anything. We can dress how we want, be brave and beautiful, join the Masons (whoopee) and this would expose the madness for what it is...

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Sexnotgender · 29/07/2020 12:19

@ScrimpshawTheSecond

the right to wear dresses is so awesome, why would anyone give that up by identifying as male?

I'm afraid you've been sold a pig in a poke, dear. You don't have to identify as anything to wear a dress.

Quite. I’m not sure woman = dress or vice versa. Woman isn’t a costume.
Muttonindistress · 29/07/2020 12:02

Thanks Errol. I thought I was imagining it.

It seems odd to default to the capital of the Maldives rather than the YY sex - as surely people are more likely to be typing the latter. Are you sure that’s not just Apple’s excuse for their blatant sexism. 😄

YY just defaulted to yay and then Yuan.

BippityBobbityBoo · 29/07/2020 12:01

My HR sent me a gender ID questionnaire this week and as I’m gender free I’m now officially transgender according to HR 😂

Sexnotgender · 29/07/2020 11:58

@SansaClegane

I already buy men's razors, because they're sharper and cheaper... And my favourite colour is blue... And I like rugby... does this... does this mean I'm already a man?? Shock
Are you me?? I not only like rugby I actually played it for years.
ErrolTheDragon · 29/07/2020 11:52

Am I being paranoid, or does my iPad keep putting a capital m on Male even when I try to change it?

It's assuming you're trying to write Malé, the capital of the Maldives, but it's stupidly missing the accent so it looks like some weird sexist quirk. I've found that mine nowadays sometimes, but not always, changes it momentarily and then back again depending on context.

Winesalot · 29/07/2020 11:17

Oh yay!!! I only bought dresses to assure my daughter that a female can wear dress if they damn well please. But I also told her that in our 20s, I used to make her dad sarongs and he rocked them.

But I am looking forward to not having my opinion dismissed, and If young women do it they really won’t lose opportunities due to the ‘family’ effect. And I would so like to be considered ‘that catch phrase that gets a deletion’ for being my non conforming self.

And maybe people won’t just try to squeeze me off the wide towpath when I am running as if the 3 or 4 of them have entitlement to take over the whole path for their own pleasure.

Yes... I like it.

Muttonindistress · 29/07/2020 11:09

I’ve been thinking quite seriously about this - and although I’d be willing to legally ID as Male to make a point, I don’t think I could bring myself to use Male toilets and changing rooms, insist on a men’s barber cutting my hair, insist on people use the right pronouns etc., because that may make other people uncomfortable.

I guess it’s my female socialisation/ having consideration for others/ not being a narcissistic, self-entitled arse.

Am I being paranoid, or does my iPad keep putting a capital m on Male even when I try to change it?

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 29/07/2020 10:53

the right to wear dresses is so awesome, why would anyone give that up by identifying as male?

I'm afraid you've been sold a pig in a poke, dear. You don't have to identify as anything to wear a dress.

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TheFormerPorpentinaScamander · 29/07/2020 10:51

I'm in.
Now people will comment on how amazing I am to be a single parent and what a hero I am. And how awful my ex is for walking away.
Instead of asking why my ex left me and why I cant keep a relationship Hmm

SansaClegane · 29/07/2020 10:51

Well, we've established that I'm already a man and always have been. So I shall continue to wear my manly dresses - after all, everything belonging to me (A MAN) is male/masculine/manly; from my dresses to my tits and menstruating uterus.
Btw did you know it's called MENstruating because men do it? Silly JKR, bet she didn't know that.

highame · 29/07/2020 10:46

men wearing dresses? who'd a thought

We could start a DIY project and then leave it

NewNewt · 29/07/2020 10:43

yes me too, I was sorely tempted by that too ... or "Marie or call me what you like when I'm not there, I wont be able to stop you, that's how pronouns work"

My male colleagues are debating it/it

DickKerrLadies · 29/07/2020 10:42

I still like "sex-based, like my oppression" but I don't think I'd ever have the ovaries to actually do it Grin

NewNewt · 29/07/2020 10:40

I am a woman and have been sitting on my hands this week since being strongly invited to put my pronouns on my email signature at work. I am mere millimetres away from putting "Marie/he/his/mine"

DickKerrLadies · 29/07/2020 10:38

Somehow, everyone I meet always manages to recognise me as female, even when I don't announce my pronouns.

I also agree that the rules are sex-specific, as demonstrated.

DickKerrLadies · 29/07/2020 10:36

@MiladyRenata

Yeah but the right to wear dresses is so awesome, why would anyone give that up by identifying as male?

They are pretty much the most comfortable garment invented by humanity; basically a T-shirt (or blouse) that goes down to your ankles. Job done. No trousers needed, no need to worry about matching colours.

Since I transitioned, I basically wear them all the time, because I can.

Erm, there are plenty of men all over the world who wear garments like this and still manage to identify as male. Confused

Who was stopping you from wearing a dress?

The idea that women can't wear dresses if they identify as male is... interesting.

AnyOldPrion · 29/07/2020 10:36

Ok, so I'm not balding at the front so I've not quite got the look right but close enough.

Surely this can be dealt with Errol? When you’re shaving off your manbeard of a morning. Not your fault if your manbeard is up on your forehead instead of your chin.

TreestumpsAndTrampolines · 29/07/2020 10:08

I can now saunter around the office in lycra cycling shorts

In two separate offices, in two separate countries, my team lead has done that - and then, generally, proceeded to strip down to boxers, in the office, and put normal clothes on. I do not know what went through either of their heads, especially when mid-change, they'd decide to wander over and have a conversation with someone.

Now, luckily they were both totally lovely people, so they didn't do any of the monologuing, just apparently existed without any sense of social norms when it came to getting dressed.

monkeyonthetable · 29/07/2020 09:44

I am so looking forward to this. Instead of starting work by switching on my computer and, you know, working, I can now saunter around the office in lycra cycling shorts, stirring a whopping energy drink and leaning over the desks of the pretty young things for a few hours to monologue about my intense training sessions for Ironman, safe in the knowledge that I'm doing exactly what it takes to get promoted.

ErrolTheDragon · 29/07/2020 09:14

I can keep my long hair because I'm a middle aged software developer. Ok, so I'm not balding at the front so I've not quite got the look right but close enough.

ErrolTheDragon · 29/07/2020 09:12

@midgebabe

You all seem to miss the point that the rules on self ID are sex dependent. A female person cannot self ID as Male without surgery ( in most cases) , testosterone and full change of physical appearance, and the approval of men.
Yes, you're right. Hence the concept enbies I suppose. But we're all nonbinary anyway, just that no one takes any notice because it's, well, absolutely normal and mundane.
TreestumpsAndTrampolines · 29/07/2020 09:08

and drive trucks

I already do that :) and play computer games.

I tell you though, they're going to have to do some work on the average sizes of things in the men's section - my 5' tall, H cup body should put the cat amongst the pigeons when it comes to standard sizes :)

CigarsofthePharoahs · 29/07/2020 08:51

Well I love gaming, watching motorsports and hate musicals. Will that do?
I'm not cutting my hair though.
I do have the ability to clear a wide space around me due to my toxic IBS farts.
DH does pretty much all the domestic stuff nowadays too.

PamDenick · 29/07/2020 08:45

Thanks for the link to Manfriday

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