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Why don’t the men wear Speedo’s?

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ZaraCarmichaelshighheels · 28/07/2020 21:46

I was watching Breakfast news this morning and the English Commanwealth men’s and women’s teams for beach volleyball were demonstrating their game, it really struck me how different the team kit was between the sexes, the men had on long vest tops and knee length shorts, the women were wearing crop tops and tiny briefs which whilst playing became a thong. I have no issue with the women wearing the sports bikini but why don’t the men wear Speedo’s? Why are women’s (beautiful) bodies exposed but the men’s (beautiful) bodies are covered up? It irrationally irritated me this morning! I’ve posted similar pictures to what they were wearing for a visual aid!

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ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble · 05/10/2020 21:02

They're designed to be functional while doing a full range of movement.

And yet they do go up their bums. Not bunched up,true as there's not enough material. They're bikini bottoms. No matter how good quality,they'll scrunch up because that's what bikinis do due to size.

Just google beach volleyball women and in a lot of the pics their bottoms are going in. There are also some with the bottoms so ridiculously tiny it can't feel that good.

feelingverylazytoday · 05/10/2020 20:35

@AsTreesWalking

I always wonder about how very uncomfortable women athletes and gymnasts must be, with their shorts/leotards bunched up in their bottoms! Personally, I can't bear knickers that do that just waking about, it must be much worse when doing sport.
Why would their clothes be 'bunched up' in their bottoms? They're designed to be functional while doing a full range of movement. A lot of time and money is invested in designing sportswear, especially that worn by top pros.
Gwenhwyfar · 05/10/2020 19:07

"I think not fair as easy to put on jumper if cold but not much to do if too hot. Can't take off trousers!"

I disagree. You can wear light clothes e.g. linen trousers, but you can't work in gloves and a massive coat if you have to use a computer.

TurbidTsarina · 05/10/2020 15:03

I'm wondering, when people complain about men wearing skimpy clothes, is that "slut shaming"?

Here's a video from Australian TV in the 1970s. Warning, may distress some viewers:

AsTreesWalking · 05/10/2020 06:27

I always wonder about how very uncomfortable women athletes and gymnasts must be, with their shorts/leotards bunched up in their bottoms! Personally, I can't bear knickers that do that just waking about, it must be much worse when doing sport.

Mariola321 · 05/10/2020 01:40

And office manager woman who always keep it warm. All girls loved it but men always complain. I think not fair as easy to put on jumper if cold but not much to do if too hot. Can't take off trousers!

Mariola321 · 05/10/2020 01:38

It would be a VERY strict office that insited on jacket and tie in the summer for men. Where did you work?
If somehwere has a VERY formal dress code, I can't see how sandals would be allowed either.

I summer men could wear no tie or jacket. I would change shoes for meeting but strap shoes for women more ok for office than man's sandals so the men still west trousers and shoes. One day air con not working and 30 degrees in office. All men complaining that too hot in trousers and long sleeve even without tie.

ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble · 04/10/2020 22:58

I've read it several times in various articles. I still don't buy it.

But then again 1.I'm a cynic and 2. I'm very familiar with women being allowed "choices" throughout the years.

jdoejnr1 · 04/10/2020 22:49

@ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble

Also I don't buy the argument that they're so much better performance wise. Why don't the men wear similar then? Do they simply not care about their performance just as much?
You've clearly not read whats been posted. The men only have 1 choice of outfit in the rules. As for the women "we’ve gotten a lot of athletes on record saying they prefer to wear a two-piece because there are less places for sand to hide. They don’t view it as swimwear or anything like a fashion statement. For them, that’s their uniform.”

As for the issue of clothing in general "The sport's biggest star, Kerri Walsh Jennings, has been adamant. It's her choice to wear a bikini, she has said, noting that she often plays in 100-degree weather. She said rather than focusing on sex appeal, the spotlight should be on the hard work and athleticism of the competitors.

Savage isn't sure that's possible — even if men and women were to wear the exact same uniform in every sport.

"No matter what women achieve, their achievement is often diminished and seen as less than (men's) because this is how we view femininity and women in our culture," she said. "When women are seen as their bodies, women will never be viewed as full human beings."

Akire · 04/10/2020 20:51

This annoys me allthe time. Especially tv shows where the men are dressed in trousers shirt jumper and jacket for everyday wear and the women is wearing tiny skirt and vest top no coat. I’m sure writers think women live in different micro climates.

In some sports you must have to wax your bikini line to an inch of its life every week but can’t see why volleyball would
Have to be one of them.

SimonJT · 04/10/2020 20:44

Surely volleyball performance isn’t changed by the clothing you wear (unless its something outrageous), where as swimming performance for example would be impacted, thats why swimmers tend to wear almost full cover swim suits. If female players needed to reduce drag etc they would be wearing full body suits.

Beach rugby is played in speedos, charity matches are also sometimes played in speedos. Theres even a mini league set up by noodlebagz. Rugby players tend to wear speedos as their base layer as they’re so secure and hard to pull down, so any sports person say “my balls etc will fall out” are talking shit.

Why don’t the men wear Speedo’s?
ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble · 04/10/2020 20:32

Also I don't buy the argument that they're so much better performance wise. Why don't the men wear similar then? Do they simply not care about their performance just as much?

ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble · 04/10/2020 20:23

@jdoejnr1

This time the updated 2019 guidance. I already made myself look like a fool once.Grin

Why don’t the men wear Speedo’s?
jdoejnr1 · 04/10/2020 20:10

@ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble

But even the updated guidance states that athletes on the same team must wear identical uniform(style,fabric and colour).
They can wear different to their team mates. It has to be matching team colours but they can be covered head to toe if they wish to.

eu.indystar.com/story/sports/2016/11/05/skimpy-difference-womens-athletic-uniforms-vs-mens/91405172/

boatyardblues · 04/10/2020 19:34

Though here in France many municipal swimming pools don’t allow swimming shorts for hygiene reasons, so Speedo style trunks are a much more common sight, on all ages and body types.

When DS1’s year went to France we had to buy him Speedos as a trip to a waterpark was planned. DS1 was appalled at how small they were, but tolerated them so he could go to the waterpark. DS2 is much more body conscious. His year group stayed in the UK the year he was eligible for the trip, but I suspect he would have rather sat the swimming out than had to wear Speedos.

Gwenhwyfar · 04/10/2020 19:21

"In office.though I used wear light dress and sandals while feel bad for the men in suit."

It would be a VERY strict office that insited on jacket and tie in the summer for men. Where did you work?
If somehwere has a VERY formal dress code, I can't see how sandals would be allowed either.

Gwenhwyfar · 04/10/2020 19:19

"I live in a very cold area and all of the 'fashionable' sweaters marketed to women have some major V neck feature where the chest area is at least partially exposed! It's frustratingly impractical."

Where I live there are PLENTY of options for jumpers that cover the neck.

Gwenhwyfar · 04/10/2020 19:18

"It is common and expected in our society for women to wear a lot less clothing than men

Is it? I regularly see men and boys walking around just wearing shorts in the summer, never seen a woman dressed like that"

I see men wearing shorts in the winter!
I don't agree that women wear less clothes than men. I think heterosexual women wear more boddy hugging clothes than heterosexual men though.
At least before menopause, men tend to feel the cold less than women and I see young men in particular in very light clothing all year round. That's separate from the pressue on women to look sexy.

ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble · 04/10/2020 19:11

But even the updated guidance states that athletes on the same team must wear identical uniform(style,fabric and colour).

DidoLamenting · 04/10/2020 19:10

It is common and expected in our society for women to wear a lot less clothing than men

Is it? I regularly see men and boys walking around just wearing shorts in the summer, never seen a woman dressed like that

No it isn't common and goodness only knows how that poster is unable to find any cosy jumpers or cardigans. It just sounds like whinging for the sake of whinging.

The reality is women have far more choice than men for clothing suitable for the temperature.

ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble · 04/10/2020 19:03

I actually made a mistake so ignore my previous post.

ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble · 04/10/2020 18:59

Sure. "Choice"

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jdoejnr1 · 04/10/2020 18:35

@ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble

Who buys / decides what the players wear? How available and affordable are the non skimpy versions? Since ALL players must wear the same ,what happens if a player wants the non skimpy version?

Basically "choice" is being bandied around again.. but how much of a choice is there to be had in reality?

Just like there is unlimited choice for women's workwear. Some companies still demand heels or dresses/skirts.

"When it comes to volleyball, the rules require a like-colored uniform bottom, with a choice of shorts, spandex, skorts or skirts. The rule doesn't require all team members wear the same uniform bottoms. Five players could wear spandex/compression shorts and a sixth player could wear a loose-fitting short"
BalloonSlayer · 04/10/2020 17:56

I am never quite sure why male divers wear such teensy weensy trunks. The women on the other hand wear quite functional swimsuits.

FWRLurker · 04/10/2020 17:50

I think it’s reasonable that men’s shorts should have slightly more minimum level of coverage than women, men’s genitalia require it because it’s external.

However I agree there’s absolutely no reason the men should be required to wear Baggy shirts if the women aren’t